When you say you need f/2.8 for DoF, it's still a variable. The distance to subject and subject to background all play an important part in DoF.
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Apr 10, 2013 13:03 | #17 i know its still a variable, but the extra stop of light doesn't really matter to me since i don't shoot indoors or weddings. Canon 5d mkii | Canon 17-40/4L | Tamron 24-70/2.8 | Canon 85/1.8 | Canon 135/2L
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gonzogolf dumb remark memorialized More info | Apr 10, 2013 13:19 | #18 mike_311 wrote in post #15812219 ![]() i know its still a variable, but the extra stop of light doesn't really matter to me since i don't shoot indoors or weddings. i know i need more length, and i really like the 85 for portraits. any other suggestions or is the 70-200/f4 the best option for the price even if i keep my 85? Which F4? IS or non IS. Seriously, there is a difference and it matters a lot depending on your intended use.
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Apr 10, 2013 14:08 | #19 F/4 IS and mainly portrait use. Any other use is secondary to use as a portrait lens. Canon 5d mkii | Canon 17-40/4L | Tamron 24-70/2.8 | Canon 85/1.8 | Canon 135/2L
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mystik610 Cream of the Crop ![]() More info | Difference in DOF between F4 and 2.8 on the 70-200 is not really material....particularly on the long end of the lens. I'd go for the 2.8 only if you absolutely need extra stop of light gathering ability. I don't use the 2.8II as much as I should because of the size. In hindight, I think the F4 IS would have sufficed for me, and would have probably been a better choise due to the size. If I ever need light gathering ability, I reach for my primes anyway. focalpointsphoto.com
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Uncle Flash Senior Member 306 posts Likes: 1 Joined May 2012 Location: Western Australia More info | Apr 10, 2013 18:02 | #21 mystik610 wrote in post #15812855 ![]() Difference in DOF between F4 and 2.8 on the 70-200 is not really material....particularly on the long end of the lens. I'd go for the 2.8 only if you absolutely need extra stop of light gathering ability. I don't use the 2.8II as much as I should because of the size. In hindight, I think the F4 IS would have sufficed for me, and would have probably been a better choise due to the size. If I ever need light gathering ability, I reach for my primes anyway. I couldn't agree more with this post. Big dreams, small wallet.
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jimewall Goldmember 1,871 posts Likes: 11 Joined May 2008 Location: Cleveland, Ohio More info | I needed/wanted (because of the extra stop in light gathering) an got a 70-200mm f/2.8 and IS so that is what I bought. It is big and heavy, but I can carry it all day. It does what I need and want in a zoom of that range. Thanks for Reading & Good Luck - Jim
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Spats139 Senior Member ![]() More info | I was wondering the same thing, and decided to go for the F4 IS to start. Locally, it runs about $1300 - 1400 new (taxes in), so I'm watching for a good buy on a used lens; I see a lot around $1000, and even some at that price with a hood and tripod collar; I'll just bide my time until I get the right deal. Dale
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GregDunn Goldmember ![]() 1,289 posts Likes: 130 Joined Mar 2013 Location: Indiana More info | Apr 10, 2013 22:18 | #24 I switched from the 70-200 f/4 to the f/2.8 and have not regretted it. Why? For me, where I was shooting (sports in lower light venues), the AF was much much more reliable, especially in AI Servo. Even though I'm using flash and have pretty good control of my lighting, the f/2.8 made a big difference in getting shots in focus. I still want to upgrade to a 7D, but I'm not as desperate as I was a few weeks ago. Canon 1Dx | 5D3 | 7D2 | 6D | 70-200L f/2.8IS | 70-200L f/4 | 24-70L f/2.8 | 24-105L f/4IS | 100-400L f/4.5-5.6IS | 17-55 f/2.8IS | 50 f/1.8 | 28-105 f/3.5-4.5 | 4x Godox AD360
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Hitthespot Senior Member 554 posts Joined Mar 2011 Location: Ohio More info | It really depends on what your going to use it for. I bought the F/4 IS version and then came home and read all of the great reviews on the latest F/2.8 version. I thought uh oh I bought the wrong lens. I went back to the store the next day, ( they would have happily exchanged it for me) and thought I'd test both lens side by side. Now my f/4 is the sharpest lens I've ever seen, but I do believe the f2.8 is ever so slightly sharper based on the sample pictures I took in the store. HOWEVER the when the sales guy took the lens out of the box and I seen the size of that thing I new there was no way I was going home with that anchor. I planned on using my 70-200 on short hiking expeditions and I wasn't about to try and lug around the 2.8 version. I quickly decided the f4 was all I needed. I need another stop I'll raise the ISO. LOL. Canon 7D, 24-105 f/4L IS, 70-200 f/4L IS, 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS, 430EX II,
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Spats139 Senior Member ![]() More info | Apr 10, 2013 23:37 | #26 Spats139 wrote in post #15814168 ![]() I was wondering the same thing, and decided to go for the F4 IS to start. Locally, it runs about $1300 - 1400 new (taxes in), so I'm watching for a good buy on a used lens; I see a lot around $1000, and even some at that price with a hood and tripod collar; I'll just bide my time until I get the right deal. I figure that I can use it for a year to see if it will do everything I want. Then, if I decide to try a 2.8, I should get most of my money back selling the F4, and will have had a year to squirrel away enough to cover the switch. Even if I lose a hundred bucks on the F4 it will still have been cheap rental for the year. UPDATE: The last couple hours have been productive. Just picked up a used F4 IS (my first "L" lens), with a hood, filter, tripod ring (3rd party) and shipping for under $900CDN! It's going to be a long week watching for the mail. Dale
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skygod44 "in stockings and suspenders" ![]() 6,444 posts Gallery: 2 photos Likes: 92 Joined Nov 2008 Location: Southern Kyushu, Japan. Which means nowhere near Tokyo! More info | Hey Michael, "Whatever you do, enjoy yourself...otherwise, what's the point."
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Apr 11, 2013 00:13 | #28 Everybody has put in their valuable advices. Canon 40D / 1DM3 / 1Dx / 400mm f/2.8 II / AlienBee B400 / AlienBee 22" Beauty Dish / EF 1.4x Extender / PocketWizard Plus III
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GregDunn Goldmember ![]() 1,289 posts Likes: 130 Joined Mar 2013 Location: Indiana More info | Apr 11, 2013 01:02 | #29 blueskyoveraquatic wrote in post #15814630 ![]() Everybody has put in their valuable advices. Here is my 2cents: Canon AF system works better in accuracy with f/2.8 lens than with f/4 lens regardless of your actual aperture of your photo. I have the f/4 lens, and it works just fine in a studio setting. For action shot in low light, f/4 can not deliver. Glad to see someone else having the same experience! I was shocked at how much better the 2.8 worked in AI Servo for me. Canon 1Dx | 5D3 | 7D2 | 6D | 70-200L f/2.8IS | 70-200L f/4 | 24-70L f/2.8 | 24-105L f/4IS | 100-400L f/4.5-5.6IS | 17-55 f/2.8IS | 50 f/1.8 | 28-105 f/3.5-4.5 | 4x Godox AD360
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Apr 11, 2013 06:48 | #30 skygod44 wrote in post #15814600 ![]() Hey Michael, Just had a look through your website, and I can't imagine any good reason to sell your 85mm lens. On a FF body, for portraits, you really do "need" 85mm - and the Sigma f/1.4 is a gem...I have it, and love it! As to sometimes wanting a longer lens, well, as has been said, the 135L is the way to go....or you could consider the 200 f/2.8L too. MUCH cheaper than most other options, but still VERY sharp. Why NOT a zoom? Because if you're shooting portraits, you should be able to know, before you pick up the camera, which lens will work for each location. PLUS, the 200L is black. Not white. And so, it's less intimidating to the customer. Regards, Simon PS: If you don't mind me saying, "Folio" is a bit of an odd word to use on your website, as it has a definition which doesn't coincide with what you're using it for. "Portfolio" is better. ![]() i know i need 85, i use all the time, its my favorite lens. Canon 5d mkii | Canon 17-40/4L | Tamron 24-70/2.8 | Canon 85/1.8 | Canon 135/2L
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