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Apr 11, 2013 23:31 |  #31

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epic win for your kid OP. It's a shame more kids don't have the self confidence to not give a damn what other people think and just enjoy life like yours seems to be doing. It sounds like you've done something right as a Dad that many people could aspire to.

And therein lies the problem.


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Apr 11, 2013 23:34 |  #32

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it sounds to me like one consensus is that it's the schools fault that they didn't hire a photographer who was professional enough to handle the situation properly. So, the recommendation is that the school should invest more money and choose a more experienced photographer in the future... and parents wonder where the budget goes?!? ??? BTW: I have no idea how to determine the way a photographer is going to respond to a situation like this, and thus select one who will handle it better.

What if you weren't a photographer, and couldn't take pictures of your kid when you wanted? What if you couldn't afford a standard sitting fee and this was the one opportunity that you had to get pictures of your kid this year? ...only to find out that your kid goofed the picture! I know if I were in this situation, I'd be pretty upset.

I'm soon to be a parent and even though I feel that I'm more than capable of taking my child's pictures, I'm sure that my wife will choose to purchase plenty of school pictures anyway. I'm sure that I'm not alone on this, but I will be disappointed every time that my child isn't respectful to another adult.

BTW: Not that it really matters, but most kids in Jr. High (a.k.a. middle school) are 11-14.


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Apr 11, 2013 23:37 |  #33

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And therein lies the problem.

Exactly. We already have plenty of people who don't give a damn. It all comes back to a general lack of respect in society as a whole. We don't respect ourselves, why would anyone expect us to respect someone else's time? As for the OP, the worse crime is that it's not even a funny story.


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Apr 11, 2013 23:46 |  #34

Wow, some of you people are taking this too seriously. The girl messed up her picture because her parents don't normally buy them as indicated by the OP. Though keep in mind, these are also the yearbook pictures too. So now her year book picture for this year will be one with a ridiculous pose, as well as a few of her friends. This is nothing to suspend a kid over as one poster pointed out. Not to mention, this is just a money grab by the school and the portrait studio (probably Lifetouch). So this is not a charity thing for people who cannot afford pictures normally. Besides, if the parents really wanted the pictures to be nice and had intentions of buying them, then they would have instructed their child to dress nicely and act appropriately on picture day. Stop making up BS and finding reasons to punish a kid for pointless reasons. This is the thinking that is corrupting schools. To everyone criticizing the OP on this, stop punishing his child, and worry about your own if you even have them. No one was harmed, nothing was damaged. This seems like a pretty innocent joke.


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Apr 11, 2013 23:56 |  #35

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I think we need to lighten up. An 8-year old had what she thought was a fun idea, & the only results she screwed up were her own. The other kids acted like kids.
it's not time to put in a bulk order for straight jackets yet. ; )

8 year old? JH has 8 year olds? 12/13/14 is junior high - not 8.

I honestly would like to understand this mentality...kid bullies a kid, others see it and to fit in (like kids do) they copy the same behavior, so all blame lands on the other kids and not the first one because others copied the one who started it? Where's the line? I seem to remember a saying about a bridge and if everyone else was jumping...

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Apr 11, 2013 23:58 |  #36

Luxornv wrote in post #15818426 (external link)
Wow, some of you people are taking this too seriously. The girl messed up her picture because her parents don't normally buy them as indicated by the OP. Though keep in mind, these are also the yearbook pictures too. So now her year book picture for this year will be one with a ridiculous pose, as well as a few of her friends. This is nothing to suspend a kid over as one poster pointed out. Not to mention, this is just a money grab by the school and the portrait studio (probably Lifetouch). So this is not a charity thing for people who cannot afford pictures normally. Besides, if the parents really wanted the pictures to be nice and had intentions of buying them, then they would have instructed their child to dress nicely and act appropriately on picture day. Stop making up BS and finding reasons to punish a kid for pointless reasons. This is the thinking that is corrupting schools. To everyone criticizing the OP on this, stop punishing his child, and worry about your own if you even have them. No one was harmed, nothing was damaged. This seems like a pretty innocent joke.

How do you know the parents did not dress them up nice for the photos. Nothing was harmed in your opinion do you know what revenue was lost by the photog?, talk about BS. Sorry I am in the camp that that if a child can not respect an adult then the parents are sadly lacking in there parenting skills and probably have no respect for others.




  
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Apr 12, 2013 00:08 |  #37

I know plenty of kids who are still in school... and maybe it's different where you are, but where I am the session done for the yearbook pictures is also the only time the school offers pictures (particularly elementary and middle schools). So, while it may be an opportunity for the school and the studio to make some money, it's also the only opportunity for many parents to get "professional" pictures of their kids. I know plenty of parents who still can't afford to buy these either.

I may have missed the post about suspension... but I certainly didn't recommend any sort of punishment. I don't necessarily think any should be given, but I know if it were my kid, we would be having a conversation about it.

Regardless, I don't exactly follow the logic where disrespecting someone is funny.


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Apr 12, 2013 00:11 as a reply to  @ cdiver2's post |  #38

The underlying theme of the OP seems to be to stick it to Life Touch. That is really something to be proud of. Sure it is humorous but it certainly not something that I would go and brag about on a forum, but that is just me. I've done my fair share of small school student photos and the junior high are the worst. If you let one start something they are like sheep, they all will follow. I see this thread for its humor but I also see how so many like to stick it to mass production photographers on here, ie. Life Touch as one example. Sad is all I can say.


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Apr 12, 2013 00:14 |  #39

PhotosGuy wrote in post #15818309 (external link)
I think we need to lighten up. An 8-year old had what she thought was a fun idea, & the only results she screwed up were her own. The other kids acted like kids.
it's not time to put in a bulk order for straight jackets yet. ; )

Oh, right...

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Apr 12, 2013 00:22 |  #40

Luxornv wrote in post #15818426 (external link)
Wow, some of you people are taking this too seriously. The girl messed up her picture because her parents don't normally buy them as indicated by the OP. Though keep in mind, these are also the yearbook pictures too. So now her year book picture for this year will be one with a ridiculous pose, as well as a few of her friends. This is nothing to suspend a kid over as one poster pointed out. Not to mention, this is just a money grab by the school and the portrait studio (probably Lifetouch). So this is not a charity thing for people who cannot afford pictures normally. Besides, if the parents really wanted the pictures to be nice and had intentions of buying them, then they would have instructed their child to dress nicely and act appropriately on picture day. Stop making up BS and finding reasons to punish a kid for pointless reasons. This is the thinking that is corrupting schools. To everyone criticizing the OP on this, stop punishing his child, and worry about your own if you even have them. No one was harmed, nothing was damaged. This seems like a pretty innocent joke.

Honestly can say I don't understand the mentality people like yourself have, look at this post - you're saying because the photographer is not doing it for charity and doing his job for profit, trying to earn a paycheck, that he's not worth being treated with some respect? Who cares if you don't agree with their business model, the amateurs they hire, etc. but to go out of your way to try and screw with someone just to mess up their day and show off in front of friends is pathetic IMHO! Photographer should have handled it better, should have put a stop to it pretty quick and realized what was going on - but still doesn't exactly give the right to go out of ones way to treat people like garbage. Feel sorry for the waiters, parking attendants, hotel check in crew - you know those "lesser" people.

Want to know the problem with schools - work in for awhile - it's really clear that a lot of kids think they can do no wrong at all, they are overly special. We let them get away with way too much as parents try to be friends and they know little Timmy or Sally can do no wrong ever! Nobody was physically harmed, no damage to equipment, there's another problem with schools, people like yourself think that's the only problem. Again, work in one for awhile and you'll find it just is absolutely not true at all - the stupidest little things can cause big problems, it's unfortunate but it does.

As for my suspension comment that you twisted into something it's not - they wasted my time and their teammates time, they got suspended from playing and not school. Suspending from school for this would be idiotic, a talk of why it wasn't the smartest idea is pretty much all that needs to be done so it can be used as a teachable moment to show others some respect and realize that just because you do it others may copy and make it worse. Selfishness only thinking of themselves, add that to problems in school.


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Apr 12, 2013 00:26 as a reply to  @ cdiver2's post |  #41

...okay: I'm not meaning this with any snark at all and am not wanting to bring "politics" into the thread, but in the United States is conformity at these sort of things the norm? Because the girl shaped her hair with a towel and posed like a model. And this is a problem? Really? Its a sign of "disrespect?"

Because I'll be honest: the reactions in this thread make absolutely no sense to me at all. So is this an American thing?


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Apr 12, 2013 00:31 |  #42

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...okay: I'm not meaning this with any snark at all and am not wanting to bring "politics" into the thread, but in the United States is conformity at these sort of things the norm? Because the girl shaped her hair with a towel and posed like a model. And this is a problem? Really? Its a sign of "disrespect?"

Because I'll be honest: the reactions in this thread make absolutely no sense to me at all. So is this an American thing?

It's not shaping and posing that's causing a problem, seem to be missing the entire point that people are bringing up and since it's written repeatedly, won't repeat.


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Apr 12, 2013 00:36 |  #43

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It's not shaping and posing that's causing a problem, seem to be missing the entire point that people are bringing up and since it's written repeatedly, won't repeat.

...please do repeat it because I'm obviously missing it. What did the daughter do that is so disrespectful?


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Apr 12, 2013 00:40 |  #44

banquetbear wrote in post #15818491 (external link)
...okay: I'm not meaning this with any snark at all and am not wanting to bring "politics" into the thread, but in the United States is conformity at these sort of things the norm? Because the girl shaped her hair with a towel and posed like a model. And this is a problem? Really? Its a sign of "disrespect?"

Because I'll be honest: the reactions in this thread make absolutely no sense to me at all. So is this an American thing?

To me, I don't think the issue lies with what she did, as much as how/why she did it. Based on the OP, it sounded to me as if this were done to tell the photographer: 'I don't care about your work, my parents usually don't buy your products, so I'm going to waste your time... other kids might think it's funny and follow along, and you're likely to lose sales over it, hopefully you can still pay your bills at the end of the month (actually I don't care about that either!)... but it's all a joke to me, so I think it's funny.'


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Apr 12, 2013 00:57 |  #45

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...please do repeat it because I'm obviously missing it. What did the daughter do that is so disrespectful?

She acted like a fool specifically to screw over the official photographer because Daddy's a better shooter and the official guy wasn't worth respecting.

...done here.


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