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Apr 15, 2013 08:54 |  #2716

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For clarification, the question was asked, 'Why does the 6D get crap?" I responded with, 'Because of how Canon placed it within it's product line in comparison to how Nikon placed their obvious competitor'. I'm not saying I agree with the backlash; and to be frank I think the fact that I bought a 6D speaks quiet the opposite. I'm just giving an explanation of the reasoning; not justifying it.

Yep understood...my response was directed at the masses who want to make these comparisons. I feel there is no basis for it and the choice is simple.

People have every right to be disappointed with a product release. I certainly was with the EOS M. However there are always choices so I got rid of the EOS M, bought something else, and I look forward to Canon's next attempt at a mirror-less camera. My life is simple that way :)




  
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Apr 15, 2013 09:26 |  #2717

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The first 4 are not full frame. The 6D is an entry level full frame camera. Canon will obviously leave features out as to not compete with other full frame cameras in their lineup. Why buy a 5DIII if the 6D has similar specs, excellent image quality, more modern features and over $1000 less?

I can understand complaining about the 6D if there was something wrong with it but I will never understand complaining about the actual product itself. If there is something I don't like I simply don't buy it.

If people are complaining about the 6D in effort to show Canon their distaste with a product the only way to do that is by not opening your wallet.

A 6D with 11 crosstype AF points and the same layout as now, wouldn't have caused a big hit on the 5D3 sales since the 5D3 would still have more crosstype AF points and a bigger spread. It's just wrong that a cheap rebel (e.g. 650D) has more crosstype AF points than a 6D. That's where most of the complaining comes from.


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Apr 15, 2013 10:08 |  #2718

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A 6D with 11 crosstype AF points and the same layout as now, wouldn't have caused a big hit on the 5D3 sales since the 5D3 would still have more crosstype AF points and a bigger spread. It's just wrong that a cheap rebel (e.g. 650D) has more crosstype AF points than a 6D. That's where most of the complaining comes from.

Yeah all very well on paper... but in practise the 6D has much more low light sensitivity than the AF system of a 650D. It is a more capable AF system, and the low light sensitivity is state of the art and the best any Canon camera offers. I think the lack of 11 cross types is a fair price to pay.
Also note the 6D actually has 19 AF points, but 8 are hidden, near the centre point. As a assist points. At least according to this. http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/11565​76 (external link)


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Apr 15, 2013 10:23 |  #2719

As I do not yet quite have the money to purchase a 16-35mm for my rather new 6D, I have modified my 10-22mm to work on it! After reading this post. All you need to do is remove the back plate.

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Apr 15, 2013 10:24 |  #2720

Mornnb wrote in post #15829731 (external link)
Yeah all very well on paper... but in practise the 6D has much more low light sensitivity than the AF system of a 650D. It is a more capable AF system, and the low light sensitivity is state of the art and the best any Canon camera offers. I think the lack of 11 cross types is a fair price to pay.
Also note the 6D actually has 19 AF points, but 8 are hidden, near the centre point. As a assist points. At least according to this. http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/11565​76 (external link)

50L+6D is an impressive low light solution; out side of 1 series; best low light performance you can get I believe.


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Apr 15, 2013 10:32 |  #2721

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Yeah all very well on paper... but in practise the 6D has much more low light sensitivity than the AF system of a 650D. It is a more capable AF system, and the low light sensitivity is state of the art and the best any Canon camera offers. I think the lack of 11 cross types is a fair price to pay.
Also note the 6D actually has 19 AF points, but 8 are hidden, near the centre point. As a assist points. At least according to this. http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/11565​76 (external link)

I've read that too, intriguing...
I haven't found any other info on this though since, so it doesn't seem to be confirmed. It'd be cool if it was indeed true though :)


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Apr 15, 2013 10:32 |  #2722

My 10-22mm lens on the 6D, an EF-S lens! Went into central Sydney to try it out. It works well without much vignetting from 16mm to 22mm. However got to keep it above 12mm to avoid mirror clearance issues.

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Apr 15, 2013 11:05 |  #2723

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Yeah all very well on paper... but in practise the 6D has much more low light sensitivity than the AF system of a 650D. It is a more capable AF system, and the low light sensitivity is state of the art and the best any Canon camera offers. I think the lack of 11 cross types is a fair price to pay.
Also note the 6D actually has 19 AF points, but 8 are hidden, near the centre point. As a assist points. At least according to this. http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/11565​76 (external link)

Well, first of all let me tell you that I don't think the AF system on the 6D is bad. The 6D AF system better than the 650D AF system? In my opinion it just depends on what kind of shooter you are. If you always focus&recompose using the center AF point and shoot in low light (remember the center AF point on the 650D is dual crosstype while the center AF point on the 6D is only crosstype), then yeah the 6D is probably the best you can get (although I believe there is a Pentax DSLR which can also focus down to -3 EV). But if you're a rule-of-thirds shooter like me, then the 650D AF system is better. You'll have crosstype AF points located at the thirds of the image, while the 6D doesn't have any AF points located at the thirds of the image because of the small spread. Also, in low light the outer points on the 650D should work better than the outer points on the 6D since they are crosstype. I'm still not sure whether I'll buy a 6D or a 5D3, but if I decide to go for the 5D3, then the 1 crosstype AF point and small spread will be the dealbreakers for me. By the way, interesting find on the fredmiranda forums, however I'm still not sure if it's true.


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Apr 15, 2013 11:18 |  #2724

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You make food look so good! :)
Where did you get the 6D for under $1500? :eek:

thank you so much! the Canon 6D w/ 24-105L lens is selling all over for less than $2400 right now on sale.... here in Canada, the 24-105L lens retails for like $1500 so there are lots of people more than willing to pay $900 cash for the kit lens

i simply bought the 6D kit for around $2350 on sale and then sold the lens on Craigslist for $950... i already have a 24-105L so my new 6D ended up being only like $1400 after tax, hope that helps!


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Apr 15, 2013 11:34 as a reply to  @ alvinkclee's post |  #2725

I couldn't resist and called up B&H and got them to match Best Buy's price for the 6D 24-105 combo and also added the 50mm 1.4.

This will be my first full frame camera and I know there has been much debate about the AF system, but if the system is equal to or better than what was in the Mark II and that camera was the benchmark for a long time, it's hard for me to believe that the AF system is as terrible as some say. There is no doubt that the AF system in the Mark III is better and you certainly pay for it, but I'm really looking forward to this camera and seeing how it performs in low light.


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Apr 15, 2013 11:48 |  #2726

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I couldn't resist and called up B&H and got them to match Best Buy's price for the 6D 24-105 combo and also added the 50mm 1.4.

This will be my first full frame camera and I know there has been much debate about the AF system, but if the system is equal to or better than what was in the Mark II and that camera was the benchmark for a long time, it's hard for me to believe that the AF system is as terrible as some say. There is no doubt that the AF system in the Mark III is better and you certainly pay for it, but I'm really looking forward to this camera and seeing how it performs in low light.

I've read that the AF system on the 6D is (a lot) better than the AF system on the 5D2 (especially the outer AF points). So no worries. :)


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Apr 15, 2013 11:56 |  #2727

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Well, first of all let me tell you that I don't think the AF system on the 6D is bad. The 6D AF system better than the 650D AF system? In my opinion it just depends on what kind of shooter you are. If you always focus&recompose using the center AF point and shoot in low light (remember the center AF point on the 650D is dual crosstype while the center AF point on the 6D is only crosstype), then yeah the 6D is probably the best you can get (although I believe there is a Pentax DSLR which can also focus down to -3 EV). But if you're a rule-of-thirds shooter like me, then the 650D AF system is better. You'll have crosstype AF points located at the thirds of the image, while the 6D doesn't have any AF points located at the thirds of the image because of the small spread. Also, in low light the outer points on the 650D should work better than the outer points on the 6D since they are crosstype. I'm still not sure whether I'll buy a 6D or a 5D3, but if I decide to go for the 5D3, then the 1 crosstype AF point and small spread will be the dealbreakers for me. By the way, interesting find on the fredmiranda forums, however I'm still not sure if it's true.

You must not like the d600 then; smaller coverage area than the 6D; and all the cross type in a small cluster (Read: d600 basically has d7000 af in the middle of a larger sensor, should be better for action when using center of frame; but worse if you like composing via rule of thirds or similar). Everything's a tradeoff/grass is always greener/blablabla

http://www.dpreview.co​m/forums/thread/327160​0 (external link)

(And I know; you are comparing 650D to 6D; not D600, but i'm speaking to the general crowd of 6D 'haters')


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Apr 15, 2013 12:03 |  #2728

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You must not like the d600 then; smaller coverage area than the 6D; and all the cross type in a small cluster (Read: d600 should be better for action when using center of frame; but worse if you like composing via rule of thirds or similar). Everything's a tradeoff/grass is always greener/blablabla

http://www.dpreview.co​m/forums/thread/327160​0 (external link)

(And I know; you are comparing 650D to 6D; not D600, but i'm speaking to the general crowd of 6D 'haters')

That's correct. For tracking the D600 should be a bit better than the 6D because of the small space between the AF points (i.e. when you're using all AF points and not only the center AF point). And yes, I don't like the AF system on the D600. Please also note that I don't 'hate' the 6D. I just think that for such an expensive camera, the AF system should have been better than it is right now (and it should have definitely been on par or better than that of a Rebel).

By the way, take a look at this picture:

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As you can see, there are vertical lines at the thirds of the image which (barely) go through the AF points on the D600 (look at the vertical lines in the biggest rectangle).


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Apr 15, 2013 13:56 |  #2730

Damn that is a weird and cool effect. Looks like the guy is a lot bigger than the car. :)
I'm guessing this is because a wide angle lens was used?


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