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Apr 14, 2013 02:12 as a reply to  @ post 15819244 |  #181

Hi to everyone , although i photograph a lot , i've never done motosport photography which is funny because i am crazy about motorcycles and especially racing.
These are from my first track day , I had a really good time and i would like to get more involved into motosport photography.
Apart from any welcomed critique i would like a hint - tip you name it. If you had the money would you invest to a great dslr + good lense combination or the other way around ,
So let's say 1dx + 400 f5.6 or 5d mark iii + 300 f2.8??

Thanks a lot

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Apr 14, 2013 10:27 |  #182

niaou wrote in post #15825573 (external link)
Hi to everyone , although i photograph a lot , i've never done motosport photography which is funny because i am crazy about motorcycles and especially racing.
These are from my first track day , I had a really good time and i would like to get more involved into motosport photography.
Apart from any welcomed critique i would like a hint - tip you name it. If you had the money would you invest to a great dslr + good lense combination or the other way around ,
So let's say 1dx + 400 f5.6 or 5d mark iii + 300 f2.8??

Thanks a lot

George

Based on the photos you have posted, I think you did well at your first track event. I would always strive for having sharp photos.

With regards to equipment, there are a couple of things you need to consider. In an ideal world the 1DX and 300mm 2.8 would be the ticket, however, I would first question what your intent is?

Are you doing your photography as a business, or a hobby? Either way, it comes down to money. The 1 DX will give you a full frame with about a 10 to 14 frame per second burst depending on file format, whereas the 5D mkIII is good for about 6 frames. Is that important to you? If you're doing motorsports, in theory, the 1DX will allow you to double your work output. With regards to the lenses, the 2.8 will work well in low light conditions, however, how often will you be in need of 2.8 glass in low light? These are some considerations worth pondering.

As I mentioned, is this a business or a hobby? If you're running it as a business, you need to consider what is best for your business, and how will that improve the quality and quantity of your work? You also need to justify that expense. If it is a hobby, same logic applies to use, but it may make a difference if there is no real income being generated.


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Apr 14, 2013 10:52 |  #183

I'd say that if this will simply be a hobby, or even if you do it as a business, don't disregard the 7D. There are actually many pros that use the 7D. And you can combine that with the EF 70-200 L (either f4 or f2.8, depending on budget) and have the 1.4x (II or III) handy to get the extra reach.

Don't automatically assume that you need to have the FF to be a pro at motorsports. Unless you REALLY need the pixels the crop bodies are just fine.

As far as your shots go, they aren't bad for a first time. I'd say that the second is the better of the two since it's a bit sharper. And yes, sharpness is really the key.


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Apr 16, 2013 01:09 |  #184

lusospeed wrote in post #15826298 (external link)
Based on the photos you have posted, I think you did well at your first track event. I would always strive for having sharp photos.

With regards to equipment, there are a couple of things you need to consider. In an ideal world the 1DX and 300mm 2.8 would be the ticket, however, I would first question what your intent is?

Are you doing your photography as a business, or a hobby? Either way, it comes down to money. The 1 DX will give you a full frame with about a 10 to 14 frame per second burst depending on file format, whereas the 5D mkIII is good for about 6 frames. Is that important to you? If you're doing motorsports, in theory, the 1DX will allow you to double your work output. With regards to the lenses, the 2.8 will work well in low light conditions, however, how often will you be in need of 2.8 glass in low light? These are some considerations worth pondering.

As I mentioned, is this a business or a hobby? If you're running it as a business, you need to consider what is best for your business, and how will that improve the quality and quantity of your work? You also need to justify that expense. If it is a hobby, same logic applies to use, but it may make a difference if there is no real income being generated.

Hi again,

what i meant by asking which combination would you prefer for motosport photography
is the following , at the early stages i think that faster burst rate and af is more important than the lense , please don't hurry up to tell me that the first thing you must do is practice , i know that but the whole think begun from a possibility of getting a state funding for buying equipment so i would like to know your opinion regardless of the cost.

Regarding the motosport pictures , i rate first the feeling i get from the picture - that's why i love panning. So i like more the first one cause it makes me wanna race...but in the end you must have the complete package of emotion moment light technique ....so let's work !!!!!

a few more pictures from that trackday

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Lucospeed really nice pictures on your site ....bravo!!!!!


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Apr 16, 2013 01:13 |  #185

veritasimagerynw wrote in post #15826366 (external link)
I'd say that if this will simply be a hobby, or even if you do it as a business, don't disregard the 7D. There are actually many pros that use the 7D. And you can combine that with the EF 70-200 L (either f4 or f2.8, depending on budget) and have the 1.4x (II or III) handy to get the extra reach.

Don't automatically assume that you need to have the FF to be a pro at motorsports. Unless you REALLY need the pixels the crop bodies are just fine.

As far as your shots go, they aren't bad for a first time. I'd say that the second is the better of the two since it's a bit sharper. And yes, sharpness is really the key.

Kevin hi , i don't plan to sell my 7d .....on the other side let's see what happens when the 7d mark II arrives!!!!!


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Apr 16, 2013 06:10 |  #186

I think that if given a decent budget to buy gear...I would still by the 7D, and spend the leftover wads of cash on the lenses. If you can't get the shot with the 7D, a 1Dx isn't going to do you much good IMO.

In regards to your images, the really heavy handed tilt doesn't work for me, it works even less on motorcycles than it does for cars. I have to agree that the second in the first set is the strongest of the set. The first of the second set might be nice if processed differently. Going with that processing treatment should be warranted by the subject, much like doing B&W motorsports, it needs to fit, and in this case I don't think it does. It loses the flash, and color of the bike.


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Apr 16, 2013 06:53 |  #187

TR: glad to read your opinion on tilt. I though there was something wrong with me, since I see so many people doing it. :D




  
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Apr 16, 2013 07:17 |  #188

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TR: glad to read your opinion on tilt. I though there was something wrong with me, since I see so many people doing it. :D

I will admit, when I first started shooting, I was guilty of it...for the wrong reasons. I got some pretty harsh crits from it on another board a couple years ago, but as harsh as they were, they made me think about WHY I was doing it...to add interest...and if that is the case, then the shot probably wasn't very good to start with. I have seen it done by the pros since then, but have come to learn that when it is done, its done to emphasize something in the scene, to work with the scene, and accentuate it.


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Apr 16, 2013 09:38 as a reply to  @ TRhoads's post |  #189

TRhoads thank you very much for the info & the detailed critique.


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Apr 19, 2013 23:51 |  #190

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Apr 20, 2013 15:04 |  #191

I'm by no means a motorsports photographer but the sport is definitely in my blood; has been all my life. I keep trying my hand and one of these days...

Both shots are from the Rolex Grand Am at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in July 2012.

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Apr 22, 2013 07:27 |  #192

I prefer the first one, the cars are closer to each other, and it has a more racy feel. The colors in #2 are pushed a little much for my taste.


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Apr 22, 2013 08:50 as a reply to  @ TRhoads's post |  #193

Can't figure out if I like the processing on these:

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Apr 22, 2013 09:52 |  #195

i like it, looks something i also try to get.

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