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Apr 21, 2013 20:26 |  #61

milleniumking wrote in post #15852074 (external link)
of course the 6d will have better IQ than both the 5dii and 5d iii. its a new camera. I know that. Canon just wanted to make a cheap full frame. I am sorry if i offended you but it was just my two cents. I like the amazing low light performance of the 6d, it is great for a canon camera, but in my hands it just feels like a toy, maybe because it is so light compared to the monsters that are the EOS 5 series cameras. Even the 7d feels much tougher than the 6d. But for IQ the 6d obviously wins.

Bull.

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I have held the 6D next to the 5DIII for long periods of time, and noticed zero difference in "feel" except for the weight, which was much nicer on the 6D. I own a 5DIII.

This. The 6D is made of the same materials as the 5DIII and 7D, the only difference being the top cover which is made from high impact polymer (never going to break). And the difference in size and weight is welcomed by anyone who uses their camera everyday (as I do)

And don't worry, I'm not offended, Just don't like the smell of BS ;)


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Apr 21, 2013 23:56 |  #62

No... toy is an exaggeration but he's right. If you've used a 7D or a 5D3, you will notice the 6D does feel cheaper and less professional, it's the design, and attention to detail on a range of things such as the feel of the buttons, the rubber around the viewfinder, the glass verses plastic on the LCD. But that doesn't bother me because the ergonomics are still great, and the lighter weight more than makes up for it. I don't want something that feels quality but weights you down. I want a camera that's great to shoot photos with, not a camera that's great at feeling expensive. I want something that's easy and light to hold and feels great to handle. And that's the 6D.
The 6D is just about perfect, any smaller and it wouldn't have the ergonomics to handle L lenses well. Any bigger and you just have more dead weight to carry around.


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Apr 22, 2013 00:04 |  #63

I can't believe Canon isn't putting the "joystick" on ALL high end DSLRs

I would get the 5D2. I will never use a body without the joystick unless I am forced. The MK2 has good IQ and good features.

Go for the 5D. The 6D is Canon's idea to get people into FF, but without some major features...IMO


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Apr 22, 2013 00:08 |  #64

I don't miss the joystick as the d-pad works just as well. However I do miss the dual function buttons at the top near the LCD, the 6D lacks easy access to WB and flash exposure compensation!
The 6D significantly outperforms the 5D2 and has a much better sensor, in a lighter easier to handle body. I don't see how there is any real argument for the 5D2.


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Apr 22, 2013 12:45 |  #65

I'm not getting all the hype about shutter speed. 1/4000 vs. 1/8000? I learned quickly to just put it at iso 50 if I'm hitting the wall and all is well. Others are struggling even at 1/4000 and iso 50? Are we shooting into the sun?


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Apr 22, 2013 18:12 |  #66

revluke wrote in post #15855114 (external link)
I'm not getting all the hype about shutter speed. 1/4000 vs. 1/8000? I learned quickly to just put it at iso 50 if I'm hitting the wall and all is well. Others are struggling even at 1/4000 and iso 50? Are we shooting into the sun?

Is the ISO on the 6D expandable to 50?


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Apr 22, 2013 19:08 |  #67

nate42nd wrote in post #15853544 (external link)
I can't believe Canon isn't putting the "joystick" on ALL high end DSLRs

I would get the 5D2. I will never use a body without the joystick unless I am forced. The MK2 has good IQ and good features.

Go for the 5D. The 6D is Canon's idea to get people into FF, but without some major features...IMO

I consider the 6D to be the dream landscape body, which is why I picked one up after 8 years on crop. They scrapped a lot of bells and whistles I don't use anyway and dropped the price substantially, at least when compared against the 5D3.

Unless you're doing a lot of sports, wildlife, or other action, the price chasm between the 6D and 5D3 strikes me as really hard to justify. But then, I've never been one for luxury. I continued using the Rebel series even after I'd acquired over $1000 in lenses, and never felt even slightly compelled to upgrade to the 40/50/60D or 7D.

Not to open pandora's box, but I feel like some DSLR enthusiasts are too caught up in stats and gear, which drives them to purchase higher-end bodies with diminishing returns. The Rebel series and 6D are, respectively, clearly the sweet spots in terms of price vs. IQ for crop and FF. Some photographers will benefit greatly from fancy AF and other luxuries on the higher-end bodies, but then again, many others will see little to no real benefit. Hopefully people at least stop and ask themselves precisely why the 7D is worth more than double the T4i, or ditto the 5D3 against the 6D, for their particular use case. The mentality that "they stripped some features out, so buyer beware!" is just playing right into the hands of Canon's marketing department.


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Apr 22, 2013 20:26 |  #68

Yogi Bear wrote in post #15856173 (external link)
Is the ISO on the 6D expandable to 50?

You bet... expand in the menus, then set manually to 'L' It won't do it when set to auto ISO, though.


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Apr 22, 2013 22:24 |  #69

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I consider the 6D to be the dream landscape body, which is why I picked one up after 8 years on crop. They scrapped a lot of bells and whistles I don't use anyway and dropped the price substantially, at least when compared against the 5D3.

Unless you're doing a lot of sports, wildlife, or other action, the price chasm between the 6D and 5D3 strikes me as really hard to justify. But then, I've never been one for luxury. I continued using the Rebel series even after I'd acquired over $1000 in lenses, and never felt even slightly compelled to upgrade to the 40/50/60D or 7D.

Not to open pandora's box, but I feel like some DSLR enthusiasts are too caught up in stats and gear, which drives them to purchase higher-end bodies with diminishing returns. The Rebel series and 6D are, respectively, clearly the sweet spots in terms of price vs. IQ for crop and FF. Some photographers will benefit greatly from fancy AF and other luxuries on the higher-end bodies, but then again, many others will see little to no real benefit. Hopefully people at least stop and ask themselves precisely why the 7D is worth more than double the T4i, or ditto the 5D3 against the 6D, for their particular use case. The mentality that "they stripped some features out, so buyer beware!" is just playing right into the hands of Canon's marketing department.

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Thank goodness I didn't dish out the extra cash for a 60D or 7D when I bought my second DSLR (after my 20D was stolen), that was less than a year ago and I've already moved to FF. I did lots of research and lots of people told me I'd regret buying a Rebel since I was coming from a 20D, but honestly the only thing I missed about my 20D was the top LCD screen... everything else worked just as well or better on the T2i. So rather than wasting a bunch of money on a crop body (I knew I wanted to go FF eventually) I got the cheapest one I could find (got my T2i on clearance for $320) and shot with it for a while and then decided I needed to go FF thankfully right around that time the 6D came out, it's like Canon released it just for me :)

If I had wasted that money on more fancy junk I didn't need it would've taken me longer to upgrade. I'm actually now getting ready to sell my Rebel in favor of the EOS-M to have a truly go everywhere camera for times when I can't bring the DSLR and there are plenty of people on this forum that would try to talk me out of it because of it's "abysmal" AF and other nuances :rolleyes:

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Apr 22, 2013 23:17 |  #70

6D price is dropped recently at the level of $1500 online. Good for potrait who do not need sport photography. 7D still better fit for that. 6D is better for lanscape, indoor, and potrait.




  
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Apr 22, 2013 23:24 |  #71

I really dont know how much better the actual noise reduction of the 6D is compared to the 5D2. For kicks, I grabbed some raws and the 6D indeed looked better, but I noticed smearing with the 6D, while the 5D image was possibly sharper. So I played with the files, and at 3200, it was easy to match the 5D2 up to the 6D, and at 6400, damn close as well. I can post 100% crops and comparisons on request.

it's possible that the 6D and even 5D3 just have a tad bit better noise control, but mostly from aggressive algorithms rather than sensor breakthrough.

try it with the raws here: http://www.metrodcphot​ography.com …non-6d-raw-sample-images/ (external link)

while it's possible that the raws are better on the 6D and 5D3, it's not as much as I thought. I was thinking 1 full stop, but at 6400, I dont see it to be the case. Seems like just more aggressive noise processing.


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Apr 23, 2013 01:13 |  #72

bejosudewo wrote in post #15857141 (external link)
6D price is dropped recently at the level of $1500 online. Good for potrait who do not need sport photography. 7D still better fit for that. 6D is better for lanscape, indoor, and potrait.

Care to share where you are seeing the 6D for $1500?


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Apr 23, 2013 21:53 |  #73

brettjrob wrote in post #15856360 (external link)
I consider the 6D to be the dream landscape body, which is why I picked one up after 8 years on crop. They scrapped a lot of bells and whistles I don't use anyway and dropped the price substantially, at least when compared against the 5D3.

Unless you're doing a lot of sports, wildlife, or other action, the price chasm between the 6D and 5D3 strikes me as really hard to justify. But then, I've never been one for luxury. I continued using the Rebel series even after I'd acquired over $1000 in lenses, and never felt even slightly compelled to upgrade to the 40/50/60D or 7D.

Not to open pandora's box, but I feel like some DSLR enthusiasts are too caught up in stats and gear, which drives them to purchase higher-end bodies with diminishing returns. The Rebel series and 6D are, respectively, clearly the sweet spots in terms of price vs. IQ for crop and FF. Some photographers will benefit greatly from fancy AF and other luxuries on the higher-end bodies, but then again, many others will see little to no real benefit. Hopefully people at least stop and ask themselves precisely why the 7D is worth more than double the T4i, or ditto the 5D3 against the 6D, for their particular use case. The mentality that "they stripped some features out, so buyer beware!" is just playing right into the hands of Canon's marketing department.

This. In fact the 6D out performs the 5D3 for landscape, in it's DR and shadow noise abilities. And it's ability to let you use an iPad as a wireless remote with liveview.
Also as I already have a 7D, that's taken away any reason to own a 5D3.
I have bodies I am entirely satisfied with, now I just need some better lenses. It's not about buying the most expensive gear, it's about buying the gear that can improve the image quality for the type of shots you take, and I don't see how the 5D3 would be better for me than the 6D. As a pro I know once said to me, always use the least and lightest camera necessary for the job.


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Apr 24, 2013 02:04 |  #74

mpstan wrote in post #15857362 (external link)
Care to share where you are seeing the 6D for $1500?

That is basically what the 6D has cost online in Thailand for two months now. The stores usually list it higher, but constantly run special prices at that level. The 6D is considerably cheaper than a 5DII here in Thailand.




  
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