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"Barrel roll" looking video head ?????????

 
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May 02, 2012 18:37 |  #1

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=dUqgIYnY6gw&h​d=1 (external link)

Watch this behind the scenes music video.

They have this head that dose what i would call a "barrel roll" i doubt thats the correct term....

anyone have more info on these? especially for DSLR?

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May 06, 2012 04:18 |  #2
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they don't show any of the footage from in-camera... but they show the rig they use with the Red setup... looks very solid.

Not really sure where you would actually use a "barrel roll" shot except in a music video. Sounds like a fad, and an expensive one.

Notice in the "behind the scene" interviews, constant focus issues.. person speaking goes in and out of focus. Looks horrible.

Don't hate me for this.. but rap videos are getting really cliche. "guy in a bar, with babes by his side.." - where have I seen that before. I was never good at script writing either ( I hated writing courses at film school) but if you have a full crew with Red gear, don't skimp on the script.




  
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May 06, 2012 20:17 |  #3

KurtGoss wrote in post #14386907 (external link)
they don't show any of the footage from in-camera... but they show the rig they use with the Red setup... looks very solid.

Not really sure where you would actually use a "barrel roll" shot except in a music video. Sounds like a fad, and an expensive one.

Notice in the "behind the scene" interviews, constant focus issues.. person speaking goes in and out of focus. Looks horrible.

Don't hate me for this.. but rap videos are getting really cliche. "guy in a bar, with babes by his side.." - where have I seen that before. I was never good at script writing either ( I hated writing courses at film school) but if you have a full crew with Red gear, don't skimp on the script.

Gotcha. :)


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May 07, 2012 08:55 |  #4
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KurtGoss wrote in post #14386907 (external link)
Don't hate me for this.. but rap videos are getting really cliche. "guy in a bar, with babes by his side.." - where have I seen that before. I was never good at script writing either ( I hated writing courses at film school) but if you have a full crew with Red gear, don't skimp on the script.

Getting? Remember when every rap/r&b video was a super wide angle in your face shot with a wall of lights behind them? Mainstream rap/r&b is 100% about trends. Doing something different will get you shunned for the most part.




  
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May 07, 2012 09:19 as a reply to  @ Gameface's post |  #5
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well, I have never seen a barrel roll :lol: Check out the video, that rig looks very heavy duty, they are rolling a full Red setup, which is heavy.

I can't imagine that it actually looks good to have the camera roll 306 degrees, but watch that video win a damn award for being "innovative".

I see zero use for a "barrel roll" in a movie.




  
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May 07, 2012 09:38 |  #6
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Not to mention if they were shooting 4K and editing it for 1080p broadcast they could just do the spin in post anyway ;)




  
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Apr 21, 2013 23:08 |  #7

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=qtyoxfMk_Ec (external link)

Dumbest thing I've ever seen.


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Apr 21, 2013 23:22 |  #8

KurtGoss wrote in post #14386907 (external link)
Not really sure where you would actually use a "barrel roll" shot except in a music video. Sounds like a fad, and an expensive one.

Perhaps a Dramamine commercial?;)

Gameface wrote in post #14392688 (external link)
Not to mention if they were shooting 4K and editing it for 1080p broadcast they could just do the spin in post anyway ;)

While I agree that it's possible to do it in post with ease, there is something to be said for getting it right in camera. I the behind the scenes video it appeared to be almost turned by a crank handle, there was a certain not linear motion that made the movement feel more human, as though you were watching cell phone video or in the club turning your head like that. While it can be mimicked, human movement is something I haven't seen many examples of duplication being successful. There are times when analog is a simpler means to produce a desired effect, even if the effect isn't particular popular outside a specific genre (which is why I don't typically watch music videos but the thread said red epic, and then after seeing it spin like that I just had to know what the final output was like)


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Apr 22, 2013 01:15 |  #9

Wow, that "music" was horrible. The effect didn't really add anything to that video either.

Thankfully it didn't cause motion sickness like this music video from the 80's did:
http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=9el2lg2olpE (external link)


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Apr 22, 2013 12:03 |  #10

That is just really disorienting.

Motor On wrote in post #15853470 (external link)
Perhaps a Dramamine commercial?;)

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Jun 08, 2015 10:45 |  #11

Believe it or not, I am still on he hunt for this.


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Jun 09, 2015 14:31 |  #12

You're going to have more success in your search using these terms:
dutch roll head

In cinematography we call it a dutch roll.

Aircraft aerobatics enthusiasts, I know a dutch roll is something different when you're flying...


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Aug 23, 2015 06:00 |  #13

SailingAway wrote in post #17590431 (external link)
You're going to have more success in your search using these terms:
dutch roll head

In cinematography we call it a dutch roll.

Aircraft aerobatics enthusiasts, I know a dutch roll is something different when you're flying...

Actually in Aviation/Aerobatics terms in a Barrel roll the the diameter around which the aircraft is rolling is not constant. Lontitudinally it is smaller at the ends, and fatter in the middle. Just like a traditional wooden barrel. They are though much easier to fly than a true axial roll. Because of the changes in the direction of the thrust line as you go round you also need less power/speed to take you through the manouver.

Sorry for the OT. I also not really see how a full roll of that sort might be useful in general film making. I could understand a slight tip, to mimic say side to side head movement. I suppose it might be useful in a stop motion flying scene, but otherwise as a story telling element?


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Aug 23, 2015 13:27 |  #14

BigAl007 wrote in post #17679510 (external link)
...I also not really see how a full roll of that sort might be useful in general film making. I could understand a slight tip, to mimic say side to side head movement. I suppose it might be useful in a stop motion flying scene, but otherwise as a story telling element?

Probably fair to say this is a non-representational technique that only gets occasional use. But if you're shooting for surrealism or horror you probably want this in your bag of tricks. I'm sure there are other uses.

I did see it in a film (??) the other night, the shot started as a handheld conventional tight shot of two heads talking to each other, one taller. Camera moved in to an extreme closeup and rolled too. Um, this description is not very good. It was kinda' down the line between the slight head-tilt BigAl mentioned and surrealism. There was drinking going on in the scene.


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Sep 09, 2015 10:17 |  #15

You may have better luck talking to a machine shop for something like this. That route isn't cheap, but a good shop should be able to let you leave with a tool that does the job you're looking for.


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