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Apr 14, 2013 15:04 |  #1

Canon EOS M Mirrorless Camera – I’m late to the party

First of all let me say I wasn’t planning on purchasing this or any new camera right now. I was actually selling some gear to put money together for a Canon 1Dx purchase but I was surprised to see the bottom drop out of the 1D IV market and wasn’t willing to sell mine with only 30,000 accusations on it for the prices they have been going for.

I am the proud owner of the 5D Mark II and Mark III as well as the 1D IV so I have a large investment in lens for the platform. I had also picked up the Sony NEX-7, as I liked the specs and what Sony was doing on mirrorless side of the house. This camera as produced some great results for me and has traveled to many countries with me due to its size and quality.

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Apr 14, 2013 22:20 |  #2

The EOS M is capable of outstanding images, especially with the little 22mm F/2. Videos are pretty good too.


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Apr 15, 2013 04:07 |  #3

I'm late to the party too! I picked up my EOS-M last week with the 22mm pancake. I think it's a great little camera. Nice to go to the park and take photos of my daughter without other parents staring at me when I usually have my 5D2 and 70-200.


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Apr 15, 2013 11:07 |  #4

The only thing that's keeping me from getting the M is lack of view finder.
I just can't get used to the idea of using the back LCD for comp etc. with a camera. :-)


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Apr 15, 2013 16:07 |  #5

dmward wrote in post #15829969 (external link)
The only thing that's keeping me from getting the M is lack of view finder.
I just can't get used to the idea of using the back LCD for comp etc. with a camera. :-)

I too find the thought of a camera without a viewfinder somewhat strange, but I'm wondering if that sentiment is something like when automatic transmissions first came out. I think my kids (and millions of others in the i-phone generation) would be perfectly comfortable. It's just a matter of what you get used to.




  
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Apr 16, 2013 13:14 as a reply to  @ groundloop's post |  #6

I used live view a lot so for me it wasn't an issue


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Apr 16, 2013 14:59 |  #7

I used to think using a camera without a VF was a no go until I rented an EM5 for a weekend. I found that I used the live view 99% of the time and that composing the shot was actually much faster and easier to do. Compose and focus was faster than focus and recompose or using a joystick to select the focus point. The speed that it focused and shot at was near instantaneous.
I only wish Canon could get the AF up to par with touch-to-focus because the APS-C size sensor makes for better creative DOF. Everything else though was better with the EM5 or EPL5 as far as shooting live view or even with an EVF goes.
BTW, you can practically see in the dark with the EVF which makes it easier to shoot in low light.

There is a big price drop on the M now...guess Canon concedes it kinda mucked it up ;)


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Apr 22, 2013 02:58 |  #8

I'm also late to the party insofar as I have just learned (yes, April 2013) that there IS a Canon EOS M.

Now, as I am about to wade through the threads list to find more about that interesting new thing, could somebody who still has some of the relevant threads in their "subscribed threads" folder from posting something there, maybe give a few pointers on threads discussing the camera, as there does not seem to be a sticky.

Amazing - that might really be what I have been waiting for all the time since I swapped my G2 for the 20D. The only thing that holds me back at the moment is the lack of a viewfinder. I simply can't imagine photography without that. (back when I was using all kinds of wide angle or tele adapters on my G2, I still preferred guessing the field of view througo the optical viewfinder to using the rear monitor for framing the shots)

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Apr 22, 2013 07:23 |  #9

groundloop wrote in post #15831198 (external link)
I too find the thought of a camera without a viewfinder somewhat strange, but I'm wondering if that sentiment is something like when automatic transmissions first came out. I think my kids (and millions of others in the i-phone generation) would be perfectly comfortable. It's just a matter of what you get used to.

Using rear LCDs for viewing before shooting predates cell phones with cameras... some of us just don't like it for everyday shooting, didn't like it for everyday shooting over a decade ago, still don't now. :)


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Apr 22, 2013 07:30 |  #10

Andy_T wrote in post #15853813 (external link)
Now, as I am about to wade through the threads list to find more about that interesting new thing, could somebody who still has some of the relevant threads in their "subscribed threads" folder from posting something there, maybe give a few pointers on threads discussing the camera, as there does not seem to be a sticky.

Here is the photo thread for the M: https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1238507

I picked one up a few weeks ago when Newegg had the sale. I have a Nex 5n that was being repaired (really the wife's camera) but the thought of the N intrigued me since I could use my EF/EF-S lens with it and at that price I decided to give it a try.

My thoughts are that the AF is a bit on the slow side (although not as bad as people would lead you to believe). It is a tad slower then the Nex but it isn't like I have missed a shot because the AF is slow. From what I've read the 22mm lens is a fair amount slower to AF then the kit 18-55 but I can't test that since I only have the 22mm. Of course it cannot compete with any DSLR so don't expect that going in.

What is VERY slow are my non USM type lenses (I have an older Sigma 17-70 and 30mm f/1.4). I don't think there is enough power in the battery to move all the glass in the non USM type lenses and AF does take quite a long time.

The 22mm lens is very good IMO and worlds ahead of the Sony kit lenses I've tried for the Nex.


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Apr 22, 2013 18:47 as a reply to  @ palmor's post |  #11

Thanks for the link to the photos thread.

Good to know that it can take good photos.

Now, if somebody could maybe comment on the ergonomics of the camera? I'm shocked to see that there is no dpreview full review out yet, altough the camera has been on the market for quite some time.

Is there an easy way to stick the camera in aperture priority mode, say at f/2.8 and leave it there? Hopefully with "putting the focus on the * button" and selecting the center focus point? RAW mode? I would most likely pair it with my Sigma 10-22, my Sigma 30/1.4 or Canon 50/1.4. When I feel like taking my 80-200/2.8L, the camera will most likely not be the biggest thing to carry, so I can go for my 20D.

That's what I would like to do with it. I do NOT want to play around with pre-defined programs with little icons, face recognition or other newfangled "intelligent" modes, if I can avoid it.

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Apr 22, 2013 19:54 |  #12

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Thanks for the link to the photos thread.

Good to know that it can take good photos.

Now, if somebody could maybe comment on the ergonomics of the camera? I'm shocked to see that there is no dpreview full review out yet, altough the camera has been on the market for quite some time.

Is there an easy way to stick the camera in aperture priority mode, say at f/2.8 and leave it there? Hopefully with "putting the focus on the * button" and selecting the center focus point? RAW mode? I would most likely pair it with my Sigma 10-22, my Sigma 30/1.4 or Canon 50/1.4. When I feel like taking my 80-200/2.8L, the camera will most likely not be the biggest thing to carry, so I can go for my 20D.

That's what I would like to do with it. I do NOT want to play around with pre-defined programs with little icons, face recognition or other newfangled "intelligent" modes, if I can avoid it.

Thank you in advance,
Andy

Yup, you can stick it in AV (or any mode) in a few touches of the screen. I actually like the menu picks better then the Nex. There is no * button on the M so that isn't an option. Focus points are selected by touch the screen and if you go Servo it will track the option you touch on the screen... kind of following it around (Nex does the same thing).

One big think.. are your Sigma lenses newer with HSM focusing (Sigma's version of USM)? If not the AF is VERY slow and borderline unusable IMO. I don't even bother with my non USM type lenses on the camera.


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Apr 22, 2013 23:25 |  #13

I test one of CANON M, the autofocus is just 2 slower than other mirrorless cameras like olympus or panasonic, or sony




  
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Apr 22, 2013 23:48 as a reply to  @ bejosudewo's post |  #14

I am late to the party too...crappy party...

Go ugly early...


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Apr 23, 2013 01:06 |  #15

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...with only 30,000 accusations on it ...

Hmmm, I suppose that all depends, was the camera making all those accusations or taking them on the chin? :D


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