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Apr 26, 2013 03:23 |  #16

6D is great for moving targets!

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Apr 26, 2013 03:35 |  #17

24-70 is an amazing lense with amazing quality. I have one, although its not mine i use it sometimes. Very good to shoot people and city stuff. Also 6d sounds right for you. However for more all rounder 5dmk3 is better. There is a slight difference at high iso, 6d is a tiny bit better, but 5dmk3 will capture motion much better.


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Apr 26, 2013 03:40 |  #18

cdang wrote in post #15868622 (external link)
The 5D3 would help heaps with tracking kids at the park/beach and sports. Once you miss a shot with the 6D, you'd be thinking damn ! And once you start nailing kids playing and having a blast, you'd quickly forget about the price of the 5D3.

I seem to do OK with the 60D or 5D in decent light, but you do have a point. Those little kids are going to get older, and faster!

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Well if price, size and weight don't matter, why wouldn't you get the 5d3 over the 6d?

The 6d's pro's (ignoring price/size/weight - which you said don't matter to you) are marginally better iso, wifi, gps, quieter shutter, -3ev af on the centre-point.

The 5d3's pro's are its much better AF, build, (stated) shutter-durability, fps, dual-slots, flash-sync speed, 1/8000 shutter speed, better electronic level, better viewfinder/electronic-overlay, better HDR and probably some other things I don't know about!

It doesn't sound like you *need* the 5d3, but overall it is 'better'. Make your choice between the 6D's pros vs the 5d3's and enjoy your purchase either way :)

I agree with you about all the points you made except HDR. I don't do much HDR, but I don't believe much in in-camera PP. Even with the 6D I'd shoot it raw and work in DPP. FPS could also be an issue. I think the 60D comes up a bit short sometimes at 5+. The 6D would be a step down in that regard. Luckily, I have until July to decide. I won't get my retirement until early August.




  
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Apr 26, 2013 05:44 |  #19

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Hmmm...sports and kids running around playing usually call for good AF...just sayin'...

which is what I'm using my 60d and 6d combo for and having outstanding results. Take a look at my flickr "6d sample" set if you need some examples of how it handles moving subjects.


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Apr 26, 2013 06:00 |  #20

JVthePT wrote in post #15868809 (external link)
which is what I'm using my 60d and 6d combo for and having outstanding results. Take a look at my flickr "6d sample" set if you need some examples of how it handles moving subjects.

You're going to be able to shoot sports with any decent DSLR. The amount of keepers/success rate, apart from skills and knowledge of the game, will definitely be higher with a 5D3 than a 6D.




  
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Apr 26, 2013 06:19 |  #21

all the 60D users want the power of the AF from the 7D :)
after choosing the 6D you will think about the AF of the 5D3


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Apr 26, 2013 06:58 |  #22

Completely understand your point about keeping a cropper and a FF, but what I found after owning the 5d3 for a while is that it really is the best of both worlds - although as you mention UWA isn't as easy on FF. If you are shooting f/8, I think you would be happy with the 16-35 or even 17-40. Heck, the high ISO of both the 6d and 5d3 would allow you to even stop down to f/11.

IMO and experience, I would expect you could replace both the 60d and 5d classic with a 5d3. The tokina 16-28/2.8 is also a very good option for UWA. If not, then keep the 60d and get a 6d


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Apr 26, 2013 07:35 |  #23

I don't have full frame experience, but if you're currently happy with a 5D, I'd keep it, get the lens a pick up the mkIII for 500 bucks in two years.

Mount the flash for IF assist - how often do you shoot in low light anyways?


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Apr 26, 2013 08:23 |  #24

First off, congratulations - you're almost there...what a feeling that must be. Second, you'll love the 24-70II...can't get enough of mine.

As for the camera body, the thing I heard you say was "Last" camera. Sounds like you only really "need" a 6D but in your shoes, why not treat yourself to the best? From what I hear, the 5DIII is a superb low light performer in terms of AF and noise control...plus it sounds like the shoe-in choice for active grandchildren at the park.


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Apr 26, 2013 08:43 |  #25

Congratulations on your upcoming retirement. What you should really buy is a fishing boat and convertible Corvette, but I digress.

Personally, I'd buy the lens and get the 5D3. You've read all the pros and cons on here but for me personally I think the 5D3 will provide superior performance in most settings.

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Apr 26, 2013 09:09 |  #26

cdang wrote in post #15868622 (external link)
The 5D3 would help heaps with tracking kids at the park/beach and sports. Once you miss a shot with the 6D, you'd be thinking damn ! And once you start nailing kids playing and having a blast, you'd quickly forget about the price of the 5D3.

I didn't miss shots of my kids playing with my Rebel XT and entry level lenses. I'm not saying the features of the 5D3 aren't nice in this respect, but you most certainly can get the shot with less.

I recently submitted my application for retirement. My wife has given me the go-ahead to buy myself a little present. I've had my eye on a 24-70 II for a little while now, and that tops my list. It also rounds out my lens collection nicely. I really do need an f/2.8 mid-range zoom.

Alas, being a woman, she has complicated the issue. She knows my 5D is quite old, and that I am happy with it, for the most part. She suggests that I may want a new camera, also. If I can afford either the 6D or 5D3, is there a significant reason to choose the 5D3? I mostly use center-point AF only. If I think I am going to need ISO 3200+, I can shoot my 60D.

I have read through the "Why 5d3?" threads and most people say high-ISO and AF are their reasons for going with the 5D3. The 6D is reviewed to be slightly better at high-ISO. It also has a higher DLA. I don't care about 2 cards - I've never had a problem with either CF or SD. All this and the fact that 98% of the time I am using the center point makes the 6D sound like a winner. Keep in mind, I am basically happy with my 5D, except for low-light AF, where it really stinks. I have to mount a flash just to use the focus assist.

The price difference is irrelevant. Size and weight is irrelevant; I still manage a gripped 60D and 100-400L. This will most likely be my last DSLR. Do I want/need a 5D3?

After using the 5D3 and 6D I'm going for the 6D. A couple of reasons. It feels a little better in my hands, the built in wi-fi is really nice in the studio, and the lower price will help my budget go further. The only things I feel like I'm giving up are the better AF system and the 100% view finder. But I've been using an AF system that's less than what the 6D has and view finder with less coverage for a long time now just fine.

If budget were not a concern I'm not sure if I'd still be going with the 6D, as that is weighing heavily in my decision.


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Apr 26, 2013 09:20 as a reply to  @ Mavgirl's post |  #27

You say you only shoot center focus point but if you had the 5DIII that would likely change for the better in my opinion. If you truly feel this will be the last camera you buy, go with the 5DIII. Besides you've worked your butt off all these years so throw yourself a bone.

My buddy has the 5DIII I've used a few times and it's outstanding!

Lastly, enjoy your retirement in good health and happy shooting.:)


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Apr 26, 2013 11:22 |  #28

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Congratulations on your upcoming retirement. What you should really buy is a fishing boat and convertible Corvette, but I digress.

Personally, I'd buy the lens and get the 5D3. You've read all the pros and cons on here but for me personally I think the 5D3 will provide superior performance in most settings.

Good luck,
Mike

Fishing boat? Nah! I haven't been fishing in 30 years. I've moved on to more expensive hobbies, like photography! As far as the 'Vette goes, I am sure it would be fun to drive. When I was 18 I got stopped for doing 115 MPH in a 25 MPH zone, in a brand new 1975 Corvette. Shall we say, it was NOT mine. No more 'Vettes for me. Thanks.

I think I am gravitating more toward the 6D. Like I said, neither body (60D, 5D) is seriously deficient for what I do. I shot some indoor sports with the 5D/85 1.8 and was happy with what I got. A 24-70 II would be a lot more versatile here than any new body, anyway. But, I'd like the ability to go to higher ISO, and some of the other more modern features; menus and rear screen. I went through LR and found 2 shots faster than 1/4000. Sync-speed is irrelevant; I can use HSS, if I need it.

As a geezer, I really don't understand the need for WIFI and GPS on a camera. For the most part, I can still remember where I've been long enough to get the shots off the card. Does anyone really have problems with that? WIFI? On a camera? Jeez, next they'll have my toilet connected to the internet! Look! Never touch the flush handle again! Use this app and do it from your I-phone! I still can't get myself to carry a cell phone. I tried it for a while. The damn thing kept ringing! In case you're wondering, yes, I predate the space age. I couldn't read yet, but I was walking before Sputnik was flying.

Thanks for all the input. Lots of folks gave me additional things to consider. I have to go pour over some more 24-70 II reviews.




  
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Apr 26, 2013 11:39 |  #29

If I were you, I'd buy the 5D3 and tell myself... I didn't buy the 1Dx. That would justify the extra expense vs the 6D to me, but I'm an easy sell. I think your comment to yourself that this might be your last DSLR should be factored in heavily.

Again, this is one man's opinion.


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Apr 26, 2013 11:47 |  #30

Congrats on the upcoming retirement,

I'd go against the grain here and say still get the 24-70 and pass on the camera for now. It's half way through the year, by Christmas I'm guess either or both cameras will have a price dip. Either in actual price or a great rebate of some form. Even getting a 5d3 refurb from adorama will get you a longer warranty if you desire.

If your wife is talking a new camera now, that offer might be on the table later, toss in the price reduction and a "honey your right I should have listen to you" and they both could be yours.


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