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A 5D mark 3 is not a good alternative to a 7d!!

 
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May 01, 2013 11:44 |  #61

I think that you should choose the camera that suits your needs and possibly your skill level. A 5d III might perform better in low light (compared to a 7D), but this doesn't necessarily make it a better camera. How the photographer uses the camera & knowing it's limitations will determine if it is capable of producing the shots he or she wants.




  
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May 01, 2013 12:02 |  #62

jaomul wrote in post #15886846 (external link)
Ok I will bow out now having obviously ruffled the feathers (though unintentionally of some here.By the way, i have about 3000 dollars to spend on a fast canon camera with good focus and low light ability, any ideas- oh of course, i should buy a 1dx

If you currently have a 7d then I would suggest a 1d4.

Once you lose the attitude and start listening to reason you might find some useful information.


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May 01, 2013 18:28 |  #63

If budgetary constraints are the dominant issue in considering an upgrade from a 7D, why not consider a 6D if the 5DMkIII is an unreasonable step up? One regular supplier that I use has the 6D for $1499... It would be a step backwards in AF capability and frame rate, but most of the discussion has been about the limitations of the 7D sensor in low light situations.


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May 01, 2013 18:50 |  #64
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Tonycom wrote in post #15886554 (external link)
But the 7D is at the top of Canon's crop sensor line. So the only cameras worth upgrading to for increased iso performance without sacrificing on af strength and fps are the 5d3 and 1d4 (or 1dx).

You can't go down the model line for "better" so you have to go "up"

This sums it up nicely.

7D is still the top of the line aps-c Canon DSLR despite its age, and there is simply nothing better down the pipeline, at least until the 7D2 arrives.

So if you want 7D features but with better ISO performance, you have to go up and that's 5D3. It's only the logical recommendation whether or not it's within your budget.

Final decision is always on your side, you just can't have it all like most things in life ;)


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May 01, 2013 19:07 |  #65

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I own both, and both have their positives and negatives.

I love my 7D for bird photography and sports where light is great.
I love the 5D3 for portraits, lower light photography, and landscapes.

It's an Apples to Oranges comparison between the two.

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May 01, 2013 19:45 |  #66

If the OP was trying to say people should not recommend 5D MKIII to those on a limited budget I agree, but most people that ask for recommendations seldom list their budget. Personally I have never understood why people asking for a recommendation do no list a budget. If someone comes here and asks about what camera they should buy that has great high ISO and AF and they don't list a budget, the assumption is they have a high budget.


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May 02, 2013 03:48 |  #67

Hi all again. I did bow out but just quickly

I own 7d and 5dc as said. I don't need or want to upgrade my current cameras.I never said I wanted to upgrade them. The thread title may have implied something else but if you read my post this is not the reason for this thread. They both do exactly what i need. I possibly prefer the 5d though it is old but if someone asked me which would be a better buy i prob would steer them to the 7d due it being more modern.

My thread was trying to highlight that with all the good info here many pick a camera model and irrelevant of peoples budget or question recommend that model. The most popular is the 5d3 being recommended when someone says they would say like to upgrade their 400d and EF-S 17-55 and EF-S 55-250 and EF 50 f1.8. Often it is mentioned low light, speed and a budget circa price of a 60d or 7d. This is just an example, but it is also true if someone wants a 500 euro/dollar camera and a 60d is suggested. It just is of no benefit due budget.

I enjoy reading and learning from this forum and have done so for a few years. It was earlier suggested that i lose my attitude and may learn. Even looking over the thread again I don't believe i come across as having attitude. i do think though only a few who read this thread saw my subject was "budget" and how recommending outside budget was of little help. It wasn't a camera bashing or praising exercise


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May 02, 2013 04:36 |  #68

I own both the 7D and the 5D3 with the latter being my latest acquisition. I find myself using my 7D more frequently when I am out and about as I am more comfortable with having had it for over three years now. Plus, with the built-in flash, I don't have to carry an external flash around to events for close-ups. I really only use my 5D3 for studio-based photography. They are both fine pieces of equipment with a lot of versatility. High ISO on the 5D3 is obviously better than the 7D, but I rarely find myself shooting in that range so the differences (to me) are rather negligible since most of my shooting is done at 1600 ISO or less.



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May 02, 2013 07:13 |  #69

ed rader wrote in post #15884124 (external link)
I could see getting a 7d for a "teleconverter" when I need more reach in good light as well as a back-up to the 5d3. I fact I may do that after the 7d successor hits the market and 7d prices start dropping.

I kept my 7D after purchasing a 5D3 a year ago for this very reason. The 7D gets used with a telephoto for wildlife shooting when I take two camera bodies. I can keep a 24-105L or 17-40L on the 5D3 for landscape and general shooting, and either a 100-400L or 70-200 f/4 L on the 7D specifically for wildlife. This avoids a lot of lens changes, and I am ready for just about any shot. If the light gets too dim for the 7D, I always have the option of switching the telephoto to the 5D3.

However, if I take only one camera with me, it is always the 5D3.


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May 02, 2013 08:31 |  #70

h4ppydaze wrote in post #15882981 (external link)
Canon does need to release a new sensor though. The 7d sensor is so far behind in tech that it's embarrassing hat they're still using it in new camera bodies.

Yep...Nikon's owning the crop world right now (and, I would argue they're kicking Canon's ass in FF as well)...in 2008/09 we had the 5D2 and the 7D...Canon reigned supreme...but those days are gone.

The 7D is well overdue for an update...I think the fact that its sensor has trickled down to most (all?) of the Rebels is a sign that something new has to be coming...


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May 02, 2013 09:02 |  #71

fotoworx wrote in post #15885708 (external link)
Someone should tell all those people producing wonderful photographs with 7D's that they need to dash them on concrete and update to something better.

+1000000000000000 or any other "lesser" camera for that matter.


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May 02, 2013 12:14 |  #72

pretty sure ISO 6400 on my 5d3 looks better then iso 800 on my 7D... I'd take my 5d hands down any day.


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May 02, 2013 12:20 |  #73

Is it time to start discussing what lens you'd use when taking the 7D to a wedding, or there is more mileage in this topic as is?...:p


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May 02, 2013 12:44 |  #74

MakisM1 wrote in post #15890628 (external link)
Is it time to start discussing what lens you'd use when taking the 7D to a wedding, or there is more mileage in this topic as is?...:p

eh that topics beaten to death. Let's talk about Sony sensors instead.


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May 02, 2013 13:24 |  #75

jaomul wrote in post #15889463 (external link)
Hi all again. I did bow out but just quickly

My thread was trying to highlight that with all the good info here many pick a camera model and irrelevant of peoples budget or question recommend that model. ...

... i do think though only a few who read this thread saw my subject was "budget" and how recommending outside budget was of little help. It wasn't a camera bashing or praising exercise

Glad you came back

There are two points I want to address, the first of which is the more universal one.

this is an open forum filled with opinions and recommendations.
You can not govern these opinions.
Opinions are like Cowboy hats and Hemorrhoids, sooner or later every arsehole gets one. I understand your intention, but it simply is not worthwhile to attempt to alter the behavior of the 300,000 plus members here, and what they chose to recommend. It can't be done.

Such herculean tasks are left to those that effect the running f the forum like Spammers, scammers, and trolls. and those tasks should be left to the moderators.

Further, it seems especially hard to come down on people for offering what is really solid harmless advice when there are so many bad opinions, and so much bad advice given that we just have to accept and hope those reading sort through it and take in only the good advice.

Advising someone considering a 7D to look at the 5D3 is NOT bad advice.

An example of bad advise would be more along the lines of suggesting someone who can't handle the weight of their equipment move up to heavier equipment ;)

But even in this case we can't expect people to NOT offer this bad advise. We can only post our disagreement.

I own 7d and 5dc as said. I don't need or want to upgrade my current cameras.I never said I wanted to upgrade them. The thread title may have implied something else but if you read my post this is not the reason for this thread. They both do exactly what i need. I possibly prefer the 5d though it is old but if someone asked me which would be a better buy i prob would steer them to the 7d due it being more modern.

This is all well and good, but we are back to opinions. It is fine that anyones suggestion to you re: 5D3 may be wasted breathe. But you are not representative of the 376,301 membership by any means. You need to understand that, and understand why your thread, which positioned yourself as such, resulted in a backlash.

There are I am sure many who agree with you.
There are also, I know for a fact, many 7D shoppers that ended up with the 5D3.

So you truly can not tell people what they can and can not recommend.

It's a big world with a lot of people and opinions.

And as one can read, the eventual degeneration is 7D owners vs. 5D3 owners.
How silly is that?


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