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7D vs. 1D mkIII for sports?

 
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May 06, 2013 17:52 |  #31

Reading from Camera, I'll have to go back and see what ll these mean:

Custom Functions: (if it's not listed, it is at 0 Zero)

02-1 ( Shutter Release Without Card NO)
04-1 ( Shutter half press = AE lock, * Button = AF ON )
05-1 ( Puts AV button on the shutter finger dial when in manual. So if you shoot a lot of AV, it does not get reversed)
08-1 ( LCD Display ISO/Remaining shots )
13-1 ( Limits choice of single AF points to 11 / Links spot metering to the Active AF point )
17-1 ( Expand Active AF point to surrounding 7. I go back and forth on this from 13, 7 to "0" single AF point. Many don't agree with me on this, but for birding keeping a single AF point on a fast flying bird is near impossible. Using expansion lets the 1D's fantastic AF system keep your bird in focus when you can't. Learn to use this feature, don't ignore it! This one setting was the one I adjusted the most in CF,. always wished it was as easy to change as aperture and AF point. With the 5D3 it is!)

18-2 (Switch to Registered AF point when pressing [X] (WB thumb button) Here is another huge one. Set registered AF point as ALL 45! (often called "ring of fire") When you need a single af point, you can select it easily, as when you need a single AF point, you usually aren't in a rush. I start every shoot with single center AF point active, selected manually, usually with expansion on. when I need to select another point, I do, but when the sh!t hits the fan, and you need all 45 for a hail Mary shot, just move your thumb from * to [X] and bam you have instant one button access to Ring Of Fire for all your hail Mary needs.

19-4 ( Use AF stop button on Super telephotos so equipped to instead swap between AI servo and One Shot. Not important, just a personal preference.)

20-1 ( AI Servo tracking sensitivity set to 1 = slow. This is another that you may have to change for different applications. Set to slow is to prevent the AI-servo from jumping form near to far focus too quickly, when you lose your subject. This is specifically useful for BIF against a busy back ground. I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but you don't want the camera jumping to the back ground when you lose the bird for a fraction of a second.

Personal Functions:
Pfn 19-ON! (this tells the camera NOT to "hunt" when AF is lost. For BIF, this means that instead of letting the lens go on a long slow hunt when you lose AF lock, just lift thumb off of * and press again to regain AF lock,. your lens will be in the right neighborhood instead of way off at infinity or MFD)

pfn 17-OFF AF point auto select turned off

pfn 18 cfn 11-2: Auto AF point sel.

pfn 19-ON set continuous shooting speed. l3 h6

pfn 25- ON default settings when cleared
ex AV Partial Metering RAW
AF AI-servo Center F point Low speed auto drive
WB AWB
Parameter set 1
Color matrix Standard


I'm going to add this to the old 1D MkII thread.


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May 06, 2013 17:53 |  #32

bobbyz wrote in post #15904341 (external link)
100% crop from lowly 8MP 1dmk2. Bigger pixels are better than smaller. One from latest FF will be better. To me I couldn't get this kind of results from 1.6x crop.

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May 06, 2013 17:57 |  #33

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May 06, 2013 18:27 |  #34

bobbyz wrote in post #15904341 (external link)
100% crop from lowly 8MP 1dmk2. Bigger pixels are better than smaller. One from latest FF will be better. To me I couldn't get this kind of results from 1.6x crop.

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Yeah, but that's only 8 megapixels, so the "crop" is almost the whole frame! :lol:


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May 06, 2013 18:32 |  #35

Rebel Rouser wrote in post #15904313 (external link)
Team Speed - those crop comparison photos are really making me scratch my head. Is the reach really that substantial with a 1.6 crop? Those results are impressive for the 7D. Leaving me back at my confused state of decision!

It's not just the reach, it's the 18 megapixels of the 7D versus the 10 megapixels of the 1D3.

Unless you really want to be lugging around a big hunk of camera, I'd go for the 7D if only because it means you'd be able to use your 30 f/1.4 on it.

But if lugging around a big hunk of camera doesn't bother you, the 1D3's autofocus system, combined with its immense customizability, might be worth it. Gotta remember that the 1D series is Canon's "pull out all the stops" camera series, so you get some very nice capabilities like spot metering under the active focus point.


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May 06, 2013 18:35 |  #36

TeamSpeed wrote in post #15904203 (external link)
Finally cropping something all the way down to the 100% level and being left with something that is good is almost ALL about the glass. With a good sharp lens known to work with either camera (okay there is the AF capability that plays into this, and the AA filter), you should have no issues at all cropping down to 100% while still getting detail.

This, in spades.

The 7D requires exquisitely sharp glass to support heavy cropping, but if you've got that kind of glass, it'll reward you handsomely.

The 1D3 is a lot easier on glass because its sensor is larger and it has a bit over half the resolution of the 7D.


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May 06, 2013 18:37 |  #37

TeamSpeed wrote in post #15904203 (external link)
That isnt much of a crop to begin with, leaving you with at least 85% of the image. You basically doubled the size of the image at 200dpi (which is what is about needed for a print that size at normal viewing distances). In the end, you had software manufacture pixels where there weren't any, and that isn't really a factor of the sensor, but all software. Having a sharp image to begin with is obviously helpful, because finely detailed areas will become a bit more blurry when doubled and can be reprocessed a bit, but poorly detailed areas will become featureless blobs.

In my example above, I took my longest lens, took a shot with both the 7D and 1D3, and cropped out the vehicle. That could have been a deer, a player at the end of the field, whatever, and resizing the 1D3 crop up to be the size of the 7D would result in a less than stellar result. Nothing against the 1D3, except its lack of resolution for such activity. This is why I liked the 1D4 so much, it has just about the right amount of resolution with a good juggling act between ISO performance and IQ.

Finally cropping something all the way down to the 100% level and being left with something that is good is almost ALL about the glass. With a good sharp lens known to work with either camera (okay there is the AF capability that plays into this, and the AA filter), you should have no issues at all cropping down to 100% while still getting detail.

Ah, I see. But if you frame the shots equally, as I intended with my assertion, then I believe I am still correct. The advantage you speak of is only true if you're FL limited. I personally was never impressed with heavily cropped 7d files (or ANY heavily cropped file for that matter, including the 1DIII).


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May 06, 2013 18:48 |  #38

kcbrown wrote in post #15904485 (external link)
The 7D requires exquisitely sharp glass to support heavy cropping, but if you've got that kind of glass, it'll reward you handsomely.

Hmm...

I had some pretty stellar lenses to go with my 7d and still never liked heavy crops. Maybe because I print a lot? I don't know, but i can't say as I ever felt handsomely rewarded by heavy crops. :)


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May 06, 2013 18:50 |  #39

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #15904350 (external link)
Reading from Camera, I'll have to go back and see what ll these mean:

Custom Functions: (if it's not listed, it is at 0 Zero)
02-1
04-1
05-1

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To Be Continued.

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May 06, 2013 19:20 |  #40

Ok, the lens thing. Are we talking simply because its a 30mm prime its going to change my viewing angle, or is the lens truly not able to be used at all?

Im still in the dark on the lens compatibility issues with the 1DIII.

Thanks. And im still really on the fence with this. I lose reach with the 1D, but I lose resolution with the 7D. So ill get a great image if I dont have to crop it much. But If its too far and Ive got to crop it, it looks like poo.

What about this guys...1D mkIII, with a 1.4 extender when needed? Which kinda sucks for night football because I lose Fstops with it!!!! AHHH! And night football is when I need 2.8!!!! Im really frustrated. I guess to do night football I would truly just need a 300 2.8. :mad:


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May 06, 2013 19:43 |  #41

kcbrown wrote in post #15904454 (external link)
Yeah, but that's only 8 megapixels, so the "crop" is almost the whole frame! :lol:

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That bird is like 3-4 inches if I remember correctly.


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May 06, 2013 19:44 |  #42

Take it back. It was with my old 30d not 1dmk2. I feet bad now.


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May 06, 2013 19:48 |  #43

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What about this guys...1D mkIII, with a 1.4 extender when needed? Which kinda sucks for night football because I lose Fstops with it!!!! AHHH! And night football is when I need 2.8!!!! Im really frustrated. I guess to do night football I would truly just need a 300 2.8. :mad:

I would pick with 1dmk3 or the 7d. For the buget both good bodies for night time football. For some fields where lighting is really bad there is no other option than to use flash unless you shooting 1dx, 5dmk3, d4 etc. I have seen some very good shots by DanO using 1dmk3 and flash. I picked 5dmk3 specifically for this purposes but didn't get to keep it long enough to actually use it for night time football.


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May 06, 2013 20:09 |  #44

OP, if I felt FL limited and was in your situation, I'd probably go with the 7d...:shock:


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May 06, 2013 20:12 |  #45

As for printing 16x20's and a little larger, either camera will do.


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