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May 07, 2013 08:45 |  #61

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The M and the SL-1 are the same: by the time you put the lenses on (anything other than the ONE pancake available for each system), the size advantages become increasingly negligible. By the time you have a couple of lenses and a flash, the size advantage is basically none. If you want to buy an EOS-M and use it EXCLUSIVELY with the 22 STM...sure, it's an an all right system (except for the AF, the lack of EVF, the crappy UI, etc)...if you buy the SL-1 and only use it with the 40 STM...I'd rather have the Fuji X100s. If you're going to use other lenses on it, I'd rather have a Rebel. Since those are your only options (use one lens only, or use other lenses), I really don't see the point of it.

While I tend to agree with your comments about size, I believe that is a similar "issue" among many of the micro 4/3 camera systems. They do tend to be "smaller" and "lighter" but they do not easily fit in pockets (though if you have a wife or gf, they do fit in her purse).

I also understand that the Fuji x100s is a great camera. Yet, look at this comparison:

http://camerasize.com/​compact/#395,448.345,h​a,t (external link)

The Fuji actually weighs a little more (albeit not much) and really isn't that much smaller. Yet, with the SL1, you have the ability to use any of your other ef or ef-s lenses On the EOS-M, I have left the 22 pancake on and it makes a great package when going out. Likewise, I will probably keep the 40 mm pancake on the SL1 most of the time. Yet, being able to take a 17-40/16-35 or even a t/s 24 as an additional lens really brings a lot more versatility than having just the fuji x100s (not to mention that the Fuji is substantially more expensive).

Now, as for just purchasing a Rebel, you may have a point.

http://camerasize.com …8.345,99.345,31​2.345,ha,t (external link)

However, I can tell you from personal experience and use (my daughter has a T3i which I have used with the 40 and I have used the 40 on my 5D3), the SL1 with the 40 is a much more compact and light system than either the T3i or the 5D3.

Until you have actually had a chance to take it out, shoot with it and see how you may or may not like it, it is very hard to "judge" a camera and whether it will "work" for you. There are a lot of great cameras on the market. Some people prefer one manufacturer over another based on how the camera feels or the the placement of the controls/buttons.

For me, I like it. Then again, I like the EOS-M too. I look at them and see "how" I can use them and if they will work for me and my situations. Can either the EOS-M or the SL1 match my 5D3? No, but they were never intended to either.


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May 07, 2013 09:02 |  #62

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Oh I get it now, you're always right. This is going to be one of those kinds of debates.

So I bow out. You can say anything you like to anyone who wishes to purchase this camera (or already has), and I will stay out of it. I can tell it won't make a difference anyway.

Take care.

That's just poor sportsmanship...so you're angry and think that I'm narrow minded because despite considering all available evidence, I don't see things your way...who's narrow-minded now? Anyways, staying out is a good choice. :)

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While the Fuji is a nice camera; it's more expensive and limited in range. Picture you're shooting, and your 5dmkIII craps out. You could pull out the Fuji; or you could pull out an SL1 and put your 70-200 on it. Completely nullify the size advantage in use? Of course; but you had the lens cap (or 40 STM) on the camera in your bag where you're much more size conscience. I'd rather have SL1 + good glass on me in an equipment meltdown pinch than non EOS camera. Small niche; but a niche I think.

Like I said, there are two kinds of uses for this...as your only camera or as a backup camera. If it's a backup camera (as you mention), then the size doesn't matter, since you're already carrying multiple bodies and lenses, flashes, etc...in that case, I'd rather have a 60D or a T4i or something like that. That's my whole point. If I have a 5D3, and a 70-200 and god knows what else...why the hell would I want to save a tiny bit of space/weight (inconsequential at that point) with the SL1?


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May 07, 2013 09:23 |  #63

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That's just poor sportsmanship...so you're angry and think that I'm narrow minded because despite considering all available evidence, I don't see things your way...who's narrow-minded now? Anyways, staying out is a good choice. :)

Oh you misunderstand me. I am not upset in the least. I have debated people with your personality dynamic in the past, and just learned it's pointless to continue. My father is the same way, and I love him :).

There are people who feel if they can not find a reason for something to be useful, then it must not be useful for anyone. You happen be be one of those people. Doesn't make me less interested in communicating with you, just makes continuing this topic pointless.


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May 07, 2013 09:48 |  #64

LowriderS10 wrote in post #15906382 (external link)
Like I said, there are two kinds of uses for this...as your only camera or as a backup camera. If it's a backup camera (as you mention), then the size doesn't matter, since you're already carrying multiple bodies and lenses, flashes, etc...in that case, I'd rather have a 60D or a T4i or something like that. That's my whole point. If I have a 5D3, and a 70-200 and god knows what else...why the hell would I want to save a tiny bit of space/weight (inconsequential at that point) with the SL1?

I would rather have a 60D in use; but I'd also rather have a SL1 in bag. If you're wearing sling bag around for 8 hours; the weight (or dead weight outside of an equipment failure) can make a quality of life difference. For you? Doesn't sound worth it; but that doesn't mean it's a non existent use case.


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May 07, 2013 09:53 |  #65

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Oh you misunderstand me. I am not upset in the least. I have debated people with your personality dynamic in the past, and just learned it's pointless to continue. My father is the same way, and I love him :).

There are people who feel if they can not find a reason for something to be useful, then it must not be useful for anyone. You happen be be one of those people. Doesn't make me less interested in communicating with you, just makes continuing this topic pointless.

Apparently you haven't learned it yet... ;)

I agree, though...nothing against you, you seem like a nice, intelligent dude, but I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this topic anytime soon. :)

Have a great night and happy shooting! (I really mean that, not being facetious).


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May 07, 2013 10:05 |  #66

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Apparently you haven't learned it yet... ;)

I agree, though...nothing against you, you seem like a nice, intelligent dude, but I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this topic anytime soon. :)

Have a great night and happy shooting! (I really mean that, not being facetious).

lol, well you directed a comment my way, and I wanted to make sure you knew I was not upset, or thinking anything derogatory about you.

You have a great night too! And unlike so many other sites around the web, we here at POTN are adults, and can disagree without having to dilike one another, or turn it into more then it is.

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May 07, 2013 10:22 |  #67

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lol, well you directed a comment my way, and I wanted to make sure you knew I was not upset, or thinking anything derogatory about you.

You have a great night too! And unlike so many other sites around the web, we here at POTN are adults, and can disagree without having to dilike one another, or turn it into more then it is.

:)

You, sir...are a true gentleman. And I completely agree. Hell, some of my best friends are polar opposites of me as far as politics and other touchy subjects go...we disagree on that stuff, but otherwise have a great friendship.

Good lord, I just realized it's after midnight here...ugh...damn internet! Cheers!


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May 07, 2013 18:08 as a reply to  @ post 15902995 |  #68

Just got my SL1 in the mail. Man is this thing tiny! Charging the battery now...

The first thing I noticed is that the grip is a lot deeper than the web photos and videos make it out to be. I have trouble holding and rather hate non-gripped cameras, but the SL1 has a a decent front grip and a bump / divot on the back that make it very easy to hold. It doesn't feel like it's going to fall out of your hand.

Feels nicely weighted with the 40mm pancake and my 50mm 1.4. I think those new Canon 24 and 28mm IS lenses may be a good pair too.

Here is a pic of the grip and next to my 5DIII


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May 07, 2013 18:20 |  #69

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I would rather have a 60D in use; but I'd also rather have a SL1 in bag. If you're wearing sling bag around for 8 hours; the weight (or dead weight outside of an equipment failure) can make a quality of life difference. For you? Doesn't sound worth it; but that doesn't mean it's a non existent use case.

I agree...this is why I'm switching my travel setup from a FF DSLR with L lenses to a mirrorless option. However...my on-shoulder weight is going to be reduced by roughly 60-70%. That's significant. My point is that if you're carrying a MINIMUM of two bodies, two lenses, flashes, cards, batteries, etc...the OVERALL weight difference is going to be miniscule...likely less than 5%...not significant.


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May 07, 2013 18:48 |  #70

I picked up an SL1 last Friday as a travel rig. It's not really the size that matters as much as the weight in my backpack while hiking or walking through a city I'm visiting, that's the advantage for me. Also the fact that is has similar if not better IQ to my 60D and has all the features that I typically need when simply traveling. I will also use this as a second camera on video shoots which is my primary use for my 60D professionally. No issues with performance there either as it only needs to shoot video at the right frame rate and have nice shallow depth of field.

So far it's been a very nice shooting camera. I previously bought an EOS-M to serve as my travel/walkaround camera. Tried it out for a week then returned it due to the well documented AF issues. Now I get to have all the things missing from that camera and use the spare batteries I purchased.

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May 07, 2013 19:12 |  #71

getting this for the old lady for mother's day :)


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May 07, 2013 19:16 |  #72

Awesome! wow that thing is TINY! i can't wait!!!


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May 07, 2013 22:11 |  #73

Man, this camera looks tiny! I can hardly wait to get one. I shoot pictures while skydiving and this thing is going to be awesome for that purpose alone.

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May 07, 2013 22:56 |  #74

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Man, this camera looks tiny! I can hardly wait to get one. I shoot pictures while skydiving and this thing is going to be awesome for that purpose alone.

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While skydiving? Link??:D


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May 08, 2013 09:08 |  #75

I'd love to see some more hands-on thoughts on this little guy.... I've been tossing around the idea of getting one for my wife.... she's a small gal, about 4'10"... so she's not too comfortable with my 5D3.... but I'm thinking that the SL1 might be right up her alley.


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