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May 08, 2013 06:43 |  #31

I've been learning post processing for a couple years now. I've read books, watched videos, gotten online advice (thx, Gerry) and I'm still struggling. Every so often, I have a great leap forward but most of the time, I'm lucky if I have a tiny step toward my goal.

That being said, I have seen gradual improvement in my photographs. At least, I hope this is what I'm seeing. ;) I won't even discuss my keeper rate at this point. It's embarrassing.


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May 08, 2013 07:01 |  #32

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May 08, 2013 07:18 |  #33

Just a note, but it's one thing to buy a 35L and 50L because you want the best, and another thing entirely to buy them only to stop down a lot.

I seriously doubt you could differentiate between the 35L and 35 f2 or the 50L and 50 f1.8 with all lenses at f5.6.

Put it another way. The 35/50L are only the "best" because they open up so wide. Close them down enough and you'll get the same image quality out of the 18-55 IS.




  
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May 08, 2013 07:25 |  #34

C'mon people, you buy the large aperture lens for the ability to shoot wide open WHEN YOU CHOOSE to. I am sick of seeing portraits done at f1.2-1.4.

People are not blurry cheeks with sharp eyelashes...

You use the shallow DOF (and selective focusing) if it serves the photo. Not as a matter of faith... Subject isolation is not a religion, or a political party...


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May 08, 2013 08:11 |  #35

I think when someone splashes out a few thousand on lenses that they should be able to use them at whatever aperture they choose.


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May 08, 2013 08:12 |  #36

Scatterbrained wrote in post #15909264 (external link)
Adobe products cannot read the in camera picture styles that Canon uses to render the jpeg preview. When you import your raw files to Adobe the software will render it's own jpeg preview based on it's own defaults, which tend to be quite flat.

Man, I mostly use LR defaults and never seen flat shot every one talks about. Here is an example, 5dc with 35L at f2. Sometimes I wish I knew PS but not that much need. I shoot RAW, use only LR and don't spend more than 5 mins per picture.

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May 08, 2013 08:17 |  #37

MakisM1 wrote in post #15910179 (external link)
C'mon people, you buy the large aperture lens for the ability to shoot wide open WHEN YOU CHOOSE to. I am sick of seeing portraits done at f1.2-1.4.

People are not blurry cheeks with sharp eyelashes...

You use the shallow DOF (and selective focusing) if it serves the photo. Not as a matter of faith... Subject isolation is not a religion, or a political party...

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May 08, 2013 08:53 |  #38

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For the moment i think downloading DPP from canon is a good move. Raw file converters all render shots differently and though DPP may not be everyones favourite, I would say it is the most user friendly for a first time canon dslr user. The following only applies to dpp, if you use elements or any non dpp converter this is not effective.

Your camera has a few "picture style" settings. These apply various tweaks to your jpeg files and also the basis for your start raw image when you edit in DPP. The various styles are for different purpose shots with "faithful" and "nuetral" being designed as settings for someone who wants to definetely edit their photos on a computer afterwards. They are quite subdued without user input.

If you use standard for day to day photos your editing should be less so and landsape for scenic shots you will find that it is easier to get that pop you are looking for.

Many (including myself) prefer lightroom as an editing tool for raw files, but DPP is a program i often use and i think is your first easy step for getting into digital editing fro your canon dslr

I agree. And thank you all for the input. The Canon site does not appear to have the basic baseline version of DPP to download. Only the updater. There also appear to be tons of versions of this as well. Not quite sure what version I need for my camera and two lenses. 3.11? Thanks again.




  
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May 08, 2013 08:58 |  #39

bobfather wrote in post #15910155 (external link)
Just a note, but it's one thing to buy a 35L and 50L because you want the best, and another thing entirely to buy them only to stop down a lot.

I seriously doubt you could differentiate between the 35L and 35 f2 or the 50L and 50 f1.8 with all lenses at f5.6.

Put it another way. The 35/50L are only the "best" because they open up so wide. Close them down enough and you'll get the same image quality out of the 18-55 IS.

I never said I ONLY shoot at f5.6. There times when I DO take advantage of the extra wide aperture. I like the L's because of the build qualtiy. How I choose to spend my hard earned $$ is entirely up to me.




  
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May 08, 2013 09:00 |  #40

I am fairly sure if you go into the canon site and select your dslr and then a software tab, you can then select dpp for your computer operating system. Choose the latest version as it will have the most options (I think for dpp it only allows newest anyway). If you have trouble pm me your email and I will try and send a link for the correct download tab when I get a chance. (i am currently not on my own computer)


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May 08, 2013 09:09 |  #41

jaomul wrote in post #15910418 (external link)
I am fairly sure if you go into the canon site and select your dslr and then a software tab, you can then select dpp for your computer operating system. Choose the latest version as it will have the most options (I think for dpp it only allows newest anyway). If you have trouble pm me your email and I will try and send a link for the correct download tab when I get a chance. (i am currently not on my own computer)

No. You have to install from disk, and then update via Canon. If the OP doesnt have the disk then there are sites that have a disk image you can download or use a registry hack to download the updates.




  
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May 08, 2013 09:23 |  #42

gonzogolf wrote in post #15910437 (external link)
No. You have to install from disk, and then update via Canon. If the OP doesnt have the disk then there are sites that have a disk image you can download or use a registry hack to download the updates.

Oh ok, i must have just updated from here then so. I know i did originally load from a disc.

OP- if your struggling with getting the download to do any of this pm me and i will send you on a copy of my dpp disc


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May 08, 2013 09:35 |  #43

jaomul wrote in post #15910485 (external link)
Oh ok, i must have just updated from here then so. I know i did originally load from a disc.

OP- if your struggling with getting the download to do any of this pm me and i will send you on a copy of my dpp disc

Excellent. Thank you very much.




  
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May 08, 2013 09:53 as a reply to  @ Phoenixkh's post |  #44

"C'mon people, you buy the large aperture lens for the ability to shoot wide open WHEN YOU CHOOSE to. I am sick of seeing portraits done at f1.2-1.4. "

Yes.

Back in ancient times, before medium and wide angle zoom lenses were common, if you bought your film SLR with a "kit" lens it usually came with a 50mm 1.4 or 1.8. I don't recall ever hearing people talking about using them wide open all the time (or even much of the time) - it was there if the situation called for it. I still have my Pentax Spotmatic with its wonderful 1.4 Takumar, and if I was wide open with that lens, I was probably in desperately low light.


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May 08, 2013 09:53 |  #45

Scatterbrained wrote in post #15909264 (external link)
Adobe products cannot read the in camera picture styles that Canon uses to render the jpeg preview.

Not quite true. Under the Develop Module in LR4 (unsure about prior versions), you can choose different camera profiles under in the Camera Calibration panel towards the bottom. Not sure how accurate these profiles are, but they are there.


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