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May 09, 2013 07:30 |  #1

My eldest girl wants to learn photography. she loves taking photos, she has a cheap point and shoot at the mo, but keeps asking if she can use mine. i said i will look for a cheap DSLR for her.

I have a 40d at the mo, and love it, and before that i had a 400d.

I would like something i can use as a second body for every day use instead of changing lens all the time, but also something thats not expensive that if it gets dropped its not going to be to much of a worry.
Also it needs to take CF cards, as i have loads 4 gig ones spare.

I have looked at the 20d and 30d bodys, as there dirt cheap, and still a good camera, and some people still use them now with great results on here.

What would be better for a 10 year old to learn with? and one that i can use if need be.

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May 09, 2013 07:38 |  #2

sounds like the perfect opportunity for you to upgrade your body and pass along this 40D!


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May 09, 2013 07:43 |  #3

SMP_Homer wrote in post #15913914 (external link)
sounds like the perfect opportunity for you to upgrade your body and pass along this 40D!

I have only had the 40d for about 5 months, so not upgrading mine yet. Plus im loving the 40d :)

I dont have lots of money to spend if i can get a body for about £120 mark i would be happy.


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May 09, 2013 07:53 |  #4

The 30D is what I always recommend to people starting out. Rebels are not quite manual-mode friendly enough to learn with and the 30D is more versatile than anything else in the price range. The Rebel XTi (I think that's your 400D) is a great alternative, especially for smaller hands if you can sacrifice the build quality/AF speed/fps, but like you, I think they'd want to upgrade soon to a more useable body.


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May 09, 2013 08:00 |  #5

20D is a 30D that lacks some key things for learning (spot meter, "useable" LCD screen, 1/3 stop ISO increments, ISO in viewfinder after button press, picture styles instead of parameters, greater battery life, more durable flash, etc). 30D is a great camera!


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May 09, 2013 08:08 |  #6

gtrag94 wrote in post #15913968 (external link)
20D is a 30D that lacks some key things for learning (spot meter, "useable" LCD screen, 1/3 stop ISO increments, ISO in viewfinder after button press, picture styles instead of parameters, greater battery life, more durable flash, etc). 30D is a great camera!

I would like a 30d i think, not only for the extras over the 20d, but i can also use it when she isnt. I know its old now as is the 20d, but some of the photos i have seen posted on here from both bodys, is good.
And i dont normally print photos either, if i do, its not large scale ones.

Also the 400d (rebel) i had, i had it for 4 years, and really liked it, was light in the hand and took some nice photos, was easy to use. But as i want something that i can use as a back up / second body, i dont think i could use a rebel any more. the 40d feels so nice, and the weight of it feels nice in the hands. It would be great for my daughter tho.


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May 09, 2013 09:20 as a reply to  @ twinkle_2k86's post |  #7

If you can adjust shutter speed, aperture, ISO and focus as well as have a working meter then you have what you need to learn photography. Everything else is bells and whistles. But it sounds like as a second body for you that your needs will probably factor in more heavily than theirs.

Both my ten year old and twelve year old use my 50D and 350D often. I think they both like the Rebel a bit better because it's smaller size and lighter weight makes it a little easier for them to hold and reach the buttons. They both learned on my old all manual Pentax 35mm SLR when they were younger and have no problems picking up either camera and using it in manual mode. Kids absorb things fast.


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May 09, 2013 10:21 |  #8

A 450D might be better. More features and smaller, lighter form factor much better suited for small hands.


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May 09, 2013 10:26 |  #9

Bingo. I'd go with a 400D (XTi)...10 MP (vs. the 20D/30D's 8 MP), and plenty of features in a smaller, lighter body. And yes, it still makes awesome pictures.

As far as the OUTPUT goes, there's no difference between the 20D and the 30D...I've owned both...really, not a massive difference between either. However...for a 10 yr old girl...I'd get a Rebel. Actually, I'd probably get her a good quality P&S with the option to shoot manually, but that's just me...


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May 09, 2013 10:31 |  #10

gtrag94 wrote in post #15913968 (external link)
20D is a 30D that lacks some key things for learning (spot meter, "useable" LCD screen, 1/3 stop ISO increments, ISO in viewfinder after button press, picture styles instead of parameters, greater battery life, more durable flash, etc). 30D is a great camera!

Does the 20D really lack 1/3 stops? My 10D has it.


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May 09, 2013 10:47 |  #11

I don't see the point of 1/3 stops anyways...they're not "real" stops (it's merely the camera over/under exposing), so they're kind of pointless. Plus, it's annoying scrolling through 15 clicks to get to the ISO you need...I have had 1/3 stops disabled on my cameras for years!


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May 09, 2013 12:06 |  #12

I gave my 9 year old daughter my old 20D a few weeks ago. Picked up a 40mm pancake for 100 bucks practically new and threw it on there for her. Explained the modes but she pretty much sticking with auto for now. She finally put that darn ipad down and is going wild with the 20D. I think 20d or 30D is MORE than enough for any one that age. She is taking pictures of stuff I would never even think of. (crumpling up a blue piece of paper throwing it on the floor and taking a picture of it with available window light!) I think the fact of having a "real adult camera" makes them feel confident taking pictures and sparks creativeness. (Should I mention the fights and screaming and yelling with her younger brother and sister cause they don't listen during her photo shoots?) LOL!




  
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May 09, 2013 12:12 |  #13

I'd just get another 40D...


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May 09, 2013 13:08 |  #14

LowriderS10 wrote in post #15914489 (external link)
I don't see the point of 1/3 stops anyways...they're not "real" stops (it's merely the camera over/under exposing), so they're kind of pointless. Plus, it's annoying scrolling through 15 clicks to get to the ISO you need...I have had 1/3 stops disabled on my cameras for years!


Mine only does it for shutter speed, which is extremely useful. It doesn't do it for ISO, if it did I would disable it also.


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May 09, 2013 13:25 |  #15

LowriderS10 wrote in post #15914489 (external link)
I don't see the point of 1/3 stops anyways...they're not "real" stops (it's merely the camera over/under exposing), so they're kind of pointless. Plus, it's annoying scrolling through 15 clicks to get to the ISO you need...I have had 1/3 stops disabled on my cameras for years!

I don't like the 1/3 for ISO
but I do use 1/3 for SS and apperture


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