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bobbyz
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May 09, 2013 13:15 |  #16

I will take even much older 1dmk2 but with something like 400mm f5.6. Not sure what prices over there but here in US 1dmk2 will save you atleast $400-$500 over 7d. Not sure what kind of birds in low light as when light is crappy I usually don't shoot.


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May 09, 2013 13:16 as a reply to  @ post 15915016 |  #17

I will play the devil advocate here. Most people will tell you that 7D and the 100-400L is a no brainer but I have to say that ever since I move from a 1.6x crop camera to a FF camera, the overall qualify of my picture has improved significantly. Yes the birds are not as big but the overall imagine quality is greater.


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May 09, 2013 13:36 |  #18

Hello, isn't this forum amazing on how open people can be? I love it!

Here is my 2 quick cents. I JUST got into bird photography after focusing on mammals at zoos for a few years. I started with a 40D and absolutely LOVED that camera for birds and animals, just wished the high iso performance was better, but for a first camera i still love it. It can be had for around $300 used right now. When i went to upgrade that, i was hoping for a 7D but because of the japanese tsunami, it was impossible to find so i settled for the more expensive 5D II. 5D II is just bad for birding. Don't get me wrong, you could survive with it, but only having 9 tiny autofocus points is really difficult. So between the 5D II/III and 7D, the 7D wins hands down. When cropping a 5D II/III image to the 7D size, the image quality COULD be close or favoring the 5D, but the autofocus just destroys the 5D II (not the III).

And as for the lens, i started out with the 75-300mm which cost me around $150 new. It is technically a bad lens but it was great to learn how to use a long lens and figure out it's limitations. I next went to the 100-400mm and love love love it. It takes a little while to get used to, and the weight is noticeable but if you are serious about animal/bird photography it is a great lens. I personally love zoo animal photography and wildlife, but it's so hard to find mammals in the wild where i live, so i am focusing on birds since they are EVERYWHERE. I am now looking at getting the 400mm f5.6 fixed lens JUST for birding, or the 300mm f4 and started a few threads on this topic.

So to sum it up, if you are trying to save money/start slowly, you can do a 40D or 50D, or go all in with the 7D. If you get one of those you could buy the 75-300mm and play around with that until you can afford your next lens.

And lastly, i use a 1D III for my birding over my 5D II because of the large central autofocus point of the 1D III and the fps. the 1.3 crop is not the best, along with the 10 megapixels but i am happy for now with the combo, especially on sunny days i can use the 1.4x III extender.

Hope this helps!


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May 09, 2013 14:05 as a reply to  @ inernets's post |  #19

I did some birds with my 5dmkii and 100-400 lens. Its okay, but I use my camera for other things too. If I was doing dedicated birds I would go for a crop sensor instead.




  
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May 09, 2013 14:38 |  #20

7D + 100-400L
or
5D II + 400 f/5.6L ( high quality images )


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May 09, 2013 15:12 |  #21

moltengold wrote in post #15915374 (external link)
7D + 100-400L
or
5D II + 400 f/5.6L ( high quality images )

Heresy! ;)


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May 09, 2013 15:21 |  #22

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #15914424 (external link)
7D or 1DIII (used) with the 100-400mm.

And I am going to be contrary to ghost68 here (sorry :) ) and suggest you hold off on a Tripod.
The 100-400mm has IS, is excellent to use hand held. (I've never put on mine on a tripod except to do focus alignment ;) )

On a budget, I'd much rather see £ go into the body glass and CF cards.

Here's another vote for the 7D+ EF 100-400 L lens. And I feel like Jake on the tripod issue. Great for focus adjustment but really not needed to photograph birds as the above combo is easily hand held.

Good luck!

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May 09, 2013 15:30 |  #23

Another vote for the 7D + 100-400, great for birds and wildlife in general... its alot of camera & lens for the money..

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May 09, 2013 15:33 |  #24

I'll be trying the 550d with a 456 .
Let you know how that works out at the end of summer :P




  
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May 09, 2013 15:38 |  #25

Oh, so now we gotta show off our 7D/100-400 bird shots eh? :) :)


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May 09, 2013 15:43 |  #26

hehe.. it seemed the right thing to do :D


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May 09, 2013 15:48 |  #27

2Ti and bigmos...
this one stopped down to F10 , ISO 1000...

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JPGs straight out of the camera, with just minor noise reduction and sharpening.

and I picked up the t2i and the sigma originally planning to sell them after taking this:

IMAGE NOT FOUND
IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
HTTP response: 403 | MIME changed to 'text/plain'


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May 10, 2013 05:01 |  #28

OK - £800 isn't going to get you what almost everybody is recommending. A second-hand 7D is going to be around £670 (external link), a 50D would be around £300 cheaper (external link) and was considered an excellent birding camera just three years ago.

With those two camera choices you're left looking at £130 or £430 for a suitable lens. Unfortunately that's not enough for any of the big lenses being recommended. If you could manage another £100 then you could get the Sigma 150-500 for £530 (external link). That, with a 50D on the end of it, would give a perfectly adequate setup. While not quite as good as the 7D/100-400 (£1500 second-hand) combo that everybody is recommending, it'll still be quite capable of some excellent shots.


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May 10, 2013 05:45 |  #29

Heh heh - you're killing me, mate! :lol:


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May 10, 2013 06:02 |  #30

fogboundturtle wrote in post #15915068 (external link)
I will play the devil advocate here. Most people will tell you that 7D and the 100-400L is a no brainer but I have to say that ever since I move from a 1.6x crop camera to a FF camera, the overall qualify of my picture has improved significantly. Yes the birds are not as big but the overall imagine quality is greater.

I wish I knew how to multi-quote, but WTH...

That's a Canon 5D Mark III, Fogbound? What is FF please?

Beautiful pics, lads! Just enough to deepen my ache! :lol:

hollis - just to clarify: I'm willing to save a little longer in order to get the right gear, but what I cannot afford is to get something fairly pricey (it's all pricey once it gets here!) and then upgrade later. I do take your point, however. ;)

Good usable advice and thanks again, everyone!

aliengin took the wind out of my sails with that link....Gordon Bennet! :shock::mrgreen:


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