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How hard is it to get sharp shots at 200mm no IS

 
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May 09, 2013 00:36 as a reply to  @ post 15912951 |  #16

Rule 1 is to use proper technique.
I'm not the youngest around (52) but this week I went on a "happy-photography-moment" with a full-manual setting. No AF, No IS!
It was a sunny day and had on my back a 600d + 500mm reflex-lens (handhold).
The book discribes 1/1000 to be the lowest shooting speed but at times I only came at about 1/125 and still produced acceptable results.
This combo was not ment for high-quality shooting but hell it was big fun. Most of the objects were moving and keepers rate went about 2/3.
When handhold-technique are inefficient one can use techniscal aids as we can find in the video department.
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May 09, 2013 00:39 |  #17
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Lenty007 wrote in post #15913307 (external link)
It was a sunny day and had on my back a 600d + 500mm reflex-lens (handhold). The book discribes 1/1000 to be the lowest shooting speed but at times I only came at about 1/125 and still produced acceptable results.

Care to show us some 100% crop @ 1/125? :D


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May 09, 2013 01:35 |  #18

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Bear with me I'm getting there... So with the ISO performance of my 5D2 (not great but not bad I thinks fair) and the use of a mono pod if need be how hard is it to keep sharp at 200 with no IS? Or is the 135L with it being a touch lighter and faster easier to use? Sorry for the long post....any thoughts would be appreciated.

I have a 135L and a 200 f/2.8L and rarely use a tripod or mono pod with them. I normally use both outdoors, but sometime use the 135L in the studio on my 5D. I don't have any trouble shooting handheld with either and I'm in my 70s. Since I normally use them outdoors, I have very few images shot with a slow shutter speed. Here are a few zoo images I found that were shot with slower shutter speeds:

30D - 200L - 1/200s f/2.8 at 200.0mm iso100

IMAGE: http://www.pbase.com/bob_r/image/91483938.jpg

30D - 200L - 1/200s f/2.8 at 200.0mm iso400
IMAGE: http://www.pbase.com/bob_r/image/92005556.jpg

30D - 200L + Sigma 2X teleconverter (handheld) - 1/200s f/5.6 at 400.0mm iso250
IMAGE: http://www.pbase.com/bob_r/image/94729537.jpg

30D - 135L - 1/60s f/2.0 at 135.0mm iso400
IMAGE: http://www.pbase.com/bob_r/image/94954184.jpg

Hope this was helpful.

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May 09, 2013 06:05 |  #19

Thanks all, and yes all very helpful stuff. Someone mentioned the magic drainpipe - ive had a look for one before, at the moment (for UK) there is only one on eBay but the auto focus is shot. Just to clarify as I wasn't very clear, I can get sharp shots low light in doors with my 24-105 but I do have to bump the ISO right up, this is why I was looking at 2.8 so the ISO wouldn't need to be cranked as much. A lot of the people that im taking pics of indoors low / rubbish light are moving, not quickly but moving non the less so this is why I wasn't sure how much help IS would help. I can sometimes use a flash but don't really like to.
If it a matter of skill... this is probably my let down as I'm not used to hand holding longer lenses but if it is something that comes with practice in willing to put in the time.

How does this sound for a plan... for what I can get a 200 2.8 L for about £350/$545 second hand i'll give it a try and see how I get on, if I find I cant keep anything sharp at 2.8 / higher ISO and monopod then i'll sell it on and try something else.... like landscapes or something haha. Thanks all.


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May 09, 2013 07:00 |  #20

The 200mm 2.8 L is an outstanding lens. Small, light, sharp & black. You will love it.




  
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May 09, 2013 07:12 |  #21

& black

This! I hate the big white "look at me" lenses, when you are trying to be discreet and take candid pictures at an event there is nothing more obvious other than firing a flash at people than a massive white lens. No doubt the IQ is excellent but why wont canon give you a black option haha.


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May 09, 2013 07:15 |  #22

Did anyone mention monopods yet? Fairly easy way to shoot long lenses at lower speeds.


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May 09, 2013 08:05 |  #23

gasrocks wrote in post #15913879 (external link)
Did anyone mention monopods yet? Fairly easy way to shoot long lenses at lower speeds.

I have a mono pod and have to say use it a lot more than my tripod. That's my extra backup if I cant hold it still enough.


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May 09, 2013 22:57 as a reply to  @ Lenty007's post |  #24

@Kin2son - I understand your scepticism so I'll put my mouth where my money is ;)
Of course I was wrong, the black woman was shot at 1/100, the rowing woman at 1/800.
Full exif is present. You will see that the value of F/0 presents. That's because it's fixed at F/8
Like I said "mirror-quality, no lens-quality" :oops:
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May 09, 2013 22:58 as a reply to  @ Lenty007's post |  #25

Here is the rowing person!


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May 09, 2013 23:27 |  #26

kin2son wrote in post #15913317 (external link)
Care to show us some 100% crop @ 1/125? :D

It is definitely possible to get shots with no visible camera shake at slow shutter speeds with good technique. My dad was somehow able to get a sharp shot of the moon at 1/50s with a 500mm mirror lens on my 450D. I was not able to reproduce that even at 1/200.


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May 09, 2013 23:34 |  #27
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Gotta say I'm impressed with the samples above...


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