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May 13, 2013 00:11 |  #1

Hello all!

I'm brand new to printing.
My monitors are calibrated using a spider pro
I have a Brother 240c color photo printer
I'm using HP Everyday photo paper (CR759A)
I'm printing from Photoshop letting the printer manage the colors because I can't find any color profiles for my printer or any way to shut off color management in the printer. For now I'm using genuine Brother ink.

I printed a shot that had a very bright purple, laying on a dull pink, (Photo attached below) and when viewing the photo I printed out the bright purple lacked the vibrant pop that I saw on my screen, it was like the whole photo was slightly washed out.

I then sent that same photo to Costco for printing to see if there was any difference, and there was! The print looked almost exactly like I expected it to.

So,.. my question is - is the printer I have just a cheap printer and these are the results I can expect?

Or would a higher quality photo paper, or a different process help? Are there color profiles available that can help me out? Is there something I am missing?

Thank you in advance for any advice you might have!
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The photo in question: (Not the printout, but the original jpg)

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7321/8733446485_c3b36ecd45_c.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …/94982813@N04/8​733446485/  (external link)
Urchen (external link) by Wiskey2727 (external link), on Flickr

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May 13, 2013 00:28 |  #2

I think it's a combination of all three - your printer isn't really geared towards photos, your paper isn't the best, and you don't have a profile for the printer.


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May 13, 2013 00:40 |  #3

There is a problem with your process and until you solve it, there isn't an accurate way to determine whether your printer and paper meets your needs. What brightness do you have your monitor calibrated to? How bright is your room when editing photos? You generally want photoshop to manage your colors, have printer color management disabled, and have an accurate ICC profile for your printer and paper. You then want to softproof in photoshop and try to match the softproof version to the original image as much as you can (e.g. you might need to boost saturation a little bit). But really, without an accurate ICC profile for your printer and paper, there's really no way to know if your printer and paper combination will produce the results you want. Printer settings may also play a role.

I would say that given you have a Brother all in one printer, my bet that your printer is not a good printer for printing out photos.




  
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May 13, 2013 03:21 |  #4

Several years ago I noticed one day that my supermarket was selling HP Everyday Photo paper at a very cheap price so a bought a pack to use for things that I don't need critically accurate color on them. At the time I was using an Epson 1200. I was shocked at how truly bad the paper was, not only the color but also the way it held the Epson inks - streaks, spots and blotches.
At least give the Brother a fair chance by using Brother paper.


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May 13, 2013 03:55 |  #5

I also have a cheap all in one printer, in my case a Canon MG5150. I use OEM ink and Canon Platinum Pro paper with it. Even though this is a basic printer, using this combination it enables me to use a properly matched paper/ink profile from within LR (where I do all my printing) and allowing LR to manage the colour. The only profiles avilable for my printer come included with the printer driver so there are not a lot of options. I thought that even the most basic printers allowed you to turn off colour management in the driver, not that I have had a brother, just HP, Epson and Canon.

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May 13, 2013 04:54 |  #6

cdifoto wrote in post #15926201 (external link)
I think it's a combination of all three - your printer isn't really geared towards photos, your paper isn't the best, and you don't have a profile for the printer.

I agree, but more like this IMO...
1. The printer. You'll really want at least an 8 color printer before complaining about image quality, it doesn't have to be expensive, maybe an Epson R2400.
2. HP EPP is the worst paper I have ever had the displeasure of using, I still have some laying around, and I don't even know how I even got it. I thought I could use it in a pinch if I ran out of my usual, but no... I'd much rather suggest using anything by Canson-Infinity, Ilford, or Epson, if you get an Epson printer.
3. Your photo doesn't look like it would pop even on good media. The photo itself lacks saturation and pop.

If you think you can use cheap paper with your printer, just send your photo in to be printed at a lab instead, better results and no hassle.


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May 13, 2013 07:47 as a reply to  @ Kolor-Pikker's post |  #7

I think it's a combination of all three - your printer isn't really geared towards photos, your paper isn't the best, and you don't have a profile for the printer.

+1

1. The printer. You'll really want at least an 8 color printer before complaining about image quality, it doesn't have to be expensive, maybe an Epson R2400.

Not necessarily so. I have an 8-color printer, but I used a 6-color Canon multipurpose (MP-970) for several years, and I got very good (if not completely consistent) results. There are a fair number of prints from that printer hanging on walls.

Nonetheless, if you are interested in producing high-quality prints, get a dedicated photo printer, buy good paper, install the profiles for the printer and papers you use, and learn the process. Good printing is not automatic.


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May 13, 2013 08:02 |  #8

Its worth persevering, as the results are excellent when you do crack it.

Home printing is never going to be the cheap option, so its worth going down the high quality route, because there it can compete.

I use Epson inks with an Epson printer and for gloss paper also stick with Epson. My only exception is with my occasional use of Hahnemuhle Torchon, a heavy (285 gsm) matte, textured paper for which I use a Hahnemuhle profile.


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May 13, 2013 08:19 |  #9

I have an Epson R2400 sitting in the corner unused because I found it not worth the hassle. The results were always good, but it was a nuisance and VERY expensive because it goes through a head cleaning process before every run and that takes way more ink than it should. Unless you're doing a lot of prints per run, it's not worth the startup because a lone 8x10 can cost something like $12 in supplies. Once you get a batch big enough to justify these issues, you then have the problem of finding space to lay them out until they're fully dry, and then cutting them to size.


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May 13, 2013 09:04 |  #10

Wow,.. Thank you so much for everyone's help!!!
I thought some examples might help, if not this thread then certainly anyone else that searches this out in the future.

It would be tough for me to pay over $1,100 for a printer, though I quite enjoy this hobby it is not making me any money, and after my walls are full there wouldn't be too much for that printer to do.

This is the original image:

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7321/8733446485_c3b36ecd45_c.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …/94982813@N04/8​733446485/  (external link)
Urchen (external link) by Wiskey2727 (external link), on Flickr

Here is Costco's Rendition: (this actually looks a little better, but the scanner took some pop out of it)
IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7295/8734428513_3d6e051824_c.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …/94982813@N04/8​734428513/  (external link)
Costco Urchen (external link) by Wiskey2727 (external link), on Flickr

Here's the Brother printer's rendition:
IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7297/8735547094_9197ece4a3_c.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …/94982813@N04/8​735547094/  (external link)
Brother Urchen (external link) by Wiskey2727 (external link), on Flickr

Thank you everyone!
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May 13, 2013 09:50 |  #11

Here is another example:
Original:

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7320/8735672426_bb6f6eaa69_c.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …/94982813@N04/8​735672426/  (external link)
ArchMK2 (external link) by Wiskey2727 (external link), on Flickr

Costco: (Once again the scanner didn't quite do it justice but you get the color difference)
IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7296/8735682162_abb15a22fd_c.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …/94982813@N04/8​735682162/  (external link)
CostcoArch (external link) by Wiskey2727 (external link), on Flickr

Brother:
IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7307/8734564215_8639e996c7_c.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …/94982813@N04/8​734564215/  (external link)
BrotherArch (external link) by Wiskey2727 (external link), on Flickr

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May 13, 2013 18:08 |  #12

Wiskey wrote in post #15926170 (external link)
I have a Brother 240c color photo printer
I'm using HP Everyday photo paper (CR759A)
I'm printing from Photoshop letting the printer manage the colors

Recipe for trouble.
The Brother printer managing the colors, expects to be loaded with Brother paper.
If I'm using Canon paper in my Epson, and have the printer manage colors using an Epson profile, I get unpredictable results as well.

If you have a printer manage colors, you have to use the manufacturers paper and the right profile.


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Nov 01, 2013 23:55 |  #13

Wiskey wrote in post #15926961 (external link)
Wow,.. Thank you so much for everyone's help!!!
I thought some examples might help, if not this thread then certainly anyone else that searches this out in the future.

It would be tough for me to pay over $1,100 for a printer, though I quite enjoy this hobby it is not making me any money, and after my walls are full there wouldn't be too much for that printer to do.

I know this is an old thread, but just wanted to point out to the OP and anyone who stumbles on this thread that there is no need to spend $1000 for a high quality color printer. The Canon Pro-100 uses 8 dye inks, and can almost always be had for $100 or less after rebate. If you demand pigment inks, the Pro-10 has been as low as $300 after rebate recently.


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