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May 13, 2013 20:33 |  #1

Guys ... How many stops of light are lost when you place a flash inside a soft box?




  
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May 13, 2013 20:35 |  #2

What sort of flash unit are you considering?

What sort of and how large a softbox are you considering?


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May 13, 2013 20:44 as a reply to  @ SkipD's post |  #3

Hi Skip. I've got a Nikon SB-700 flash and a 28" Westcott softbox.




  
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May 13, 2013 20:45 |  #4

Now somebody may be able to feed you some real data. I don't have either of your devices so I cannot be much help.


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May 13, 2013 21:24 |  #5

ChillOne wrote in post #15929173 (external link)
Guys ... How many stops of light are lost when you place a flash inside a soft box?

Depends on the flash as well as the softbox.....
You will need to use a light meter to figure that out.


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May 13, 2013 22:03 |  #6

One or two diffusion panels, were is the light positioned in the Westcott? What is the zoom on the speedlite?
All may contribute to the answer.


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May 13, 2013 22:17 |  #7

As everyone else has indicated there are soooo many factors that play into this.


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May 13, 2013 22:35 |  #8

Yes, as stated, it will vary, but here's a couple of data points from a test I ran recently. I was using a Canon 580EX II, a Westcott 60" reversible umbrella configured for reflective use, and a Sekonic L358 light meter. The light stand with the flash on top was about 8' from the point of measurement. For the umbrella tests, I just spun the speedlite around to face the opposite direction, so add a couple of feet from the inner surface of the umbrella at the shaft to the measurement point. All tests are at ISO 100.

Direct: Flash head aimed at light meter, full power

-Head zoomed to 105mm - f/14
-Head zoomed to 24mm - f/9

Reflective: Flash aimed at 60" umbrella, 180 degrees away from light meter, full power

-Head zoomed to 105mm - f/4
-Head zoomed to 24mm - f/4
-14mm diffuser panel lowered and umbrella moved closer to head - f/3.6

So it lost about 4 stops. I think a softbox would likely lose more due to the diffusion panels and lack of spill light to get out and bounce off a wall to contribute to the exposure.

By comparison, the Alien Bee 800 I was testing against only lost 2 stops. Remember speedlites are meant to be aimed at the subject and zoom to concentrate their power on the subject. In that mode, the speedlite at 105mm was only 2/3 stops weaker than the Alien Bee. But once you add start bouncing and diffusing, the speedlites really lose their punch.




  
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May 14, 2013 00:53 |  #9

Its about a 1/2 stop just for the fabric cover over a quadra head. So the fabric is about a half stop, but where you place the flash inside and your zoom will change the other factors.


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May 14, 2013 01:40 |  #10

It depends on the softbox construction. At least one stop is absorbed by the softbox, but some have heavier defussers. You can test with a light meter.


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