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YARDBURNER
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May 17, 2013 16:47 |  #1

Figured I'd ask the Illuminati.

Have a 60D with 18-135 EF-S, 50 1.8 and 70-300 EF
and want to add an ultrawide like the 10-22 EF-S.

Or is there a better choice out there?
And why?

-Thanks in advance!

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May 17, 2013 18:34 |  #2

Canon 10-22, why? its a great lens for crop, also check the Tokina 11-16 and Sigma 10-20, all good lenses but if finances allow, go for the Canon 10-22 you wont be disappointed.


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May 17, 2013 18:49 |  #3

+1 for Tokina 11-16 this lens will be on my next purchase list.


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May 17, 2013 18:53 |  #4

The 10-22 is probably the best choice overall.
The Tokinas are built like tanks and have great IQ, but they flare. Not really a deal breaker, but just know that.
The Sigma 10-20 is well regarded.

I have the 11-16 because do use 2.8 a lot, but the range makes it essentially a prime lens in use. The 12-24 f4 is a much more useful range.

The Canon 10-22 is great IQ and very resistant to flare. It does have a variable Ap unlike the Tokinas. If you're shooting at smaller Ap anyway, it won't matter.


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May 17, 2013 21:19 |  #5

Pick any one of the 5 UWA lenses for crop: Canon 10-22, Tokina 12-24, Tokina 11-16, Sigma 10-20, or the Tamron 10-24. I will say that the Canon and Tokina IMHO are the best, Tokina wins out for f/2.8 and slightly better build quality. But as others have said here and in other threads, the Canon wins out for range, color rendition, USM focusing, and the best flare resistance of the lot. I chose the Tokina because on top of using it for wide perspective and landscapes, I find that the f/2.8 makes it a wonderful lens for video as well.

So choose based on your needs and budget, but really you'll get a wide perspective that's awesome and a great lens with any that you choose.


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May 17, 2013 21:41 |  #6

Well I bought the Sigma 8-16 due to the fact it has great IQ and good flare control, especially compared to the Tokina which flares really badly. I was originally going to get the Sigma 10-20 but the IQ just isn't up to par compared to some of the other UWA choices and the Tokina 12-24 and Tamron 10-24 aren't much cheaper (used, of course, I never buy new lenses). The Canon 10-22 is great but it goes for like $50 less than the 17-40 and if I were making that decision, I would just get the 17-40 because I know in the future I will get FF anyway. The Tokina does 2.8 though so if you are shooting at night (tripod or not) or inside a lot, definitely consider it. I just went with the Sigma 8-16 due to the fact is it soooooooo wide which to me can be lots of fun and the Tokina 11-16 just flares too much imho. Unfortunately the 8-16 cannot take screw in filters but pretty much the only time I will use a filter would be if I ever do some landscape shots where I could just hold a square filter in front of the lens or get something along the lines of the lee filter holding system. Overall though, the Canon 10-22 would be the best choice if you don't think you will go full frame any time soon and you won't regret it. It has a great range, great IQ, USM, great flare control and can take screw in filters.

From what I've seen, prices are typically like this (for me at least):

Tokina 12-24 f4: $300
Sigma 10-20: $330
Sigma 8-16: $420
Tokina 11-16: $480
Canon 10-22: $500

So if you just want an UWA to use it occasionally or to merely try it out (without renting), I would go with the Sigma 10-20. Personally I don't see much point in the Tokina 12-24 or Tamron 10-24 due to the fact there are better options out there for not much more and the Tamron 10-24 doesn't seem very good IQ wise.


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May 17, 2013 21:42 |  #7

IMO it comes down to this.

Best overall for everything:
Canon 10-22
Why?
-Great IQ
-Great range (UWA to wide-normal)
-Best flare resistance
-USM and FTM

Best for indoors/astrophotograp​hy:
Tokina 11-16
Why?
-Sharpest (note that this is just sharpness, not other parts of IQ e.g. CA and distortion, both of which are worse than the Canon, not to mention flaring which is horrible when compared to the Canon 10-22)
-f2.8
-Solid build

Best on a budget:
Sigma 10-20 or Tokina 12-24
Why?
-Good IQ (slightly behind the Canon 10-22 and Tokina 11-16)
-Good range
-Sigma has HSM and FTM, which I prefer
-Tokina has very solid build
-Cheaper than either the 11-16 or 10-22

Don't care about filters or the long end, just want widest with great IQ:
Sigma 8-16


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May 17, 2013 22:15 |  #8

I have tried to cover the focal lengths from 8mm to 500mm with overlaps to cover most situations. I am happy with Sigmas and their cost compared to the closest equivalents in Canons lineup( Social Security being the restriction. I have no Tokinas just due to no experience with them at all due to Sigmas coverage of the FLs I shoot with and satisfaction with Sigmas IQ.


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May 17, 2013 22:49 |  #9

Get the 10-22...I wanted to love the 11-16mm but after about 15 minutes of shooting at night it was clear that I should get the Canon for the flare resistance. The Canon is the all around winner.


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May 17, 2013 23:26 |  #10

Sounds like the Canon is it.

Stang I'd love to know where you find the 10-22 for $500.
Have dealer nearby at $650. At least there I can
Inspect it and they have a good return policy.
Now to find a deal on a 100 macro.

Thanks for the help gang!




  
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May 18, 2013 00:15 |  #11

YARDBURNER wrote in post #15942951 (external link)
Sounds like the Canon is it.

Stang I'd love to know where you find the 10-22 for $500.
Have dealer nearby at $650. At least there I can
Inspect it and they have a good return policy.
Now to find a deal on a 100 macro.

Thanks for the help gang!

Well all my prices are for used lenses (I think I stated that in the description) because I personally don't take interest in buying camera equipment new. I have regularly seen 10-22s go for $500 used. Even then I wouldn't feel comfortable paying that due to the 17-40 being about $50 more and the fact I would definitely get full frame if I got it and it could be used as a good walk around lens on APS-C (thought I will eventually get a Sigma 17-50 2.8 OS). For you however, if you don't plan on going full frame, the 10-22 is effectively the best choice unless you want to go REALLY wide of will be shooting in low light conditions a lot.


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May 18, 2013 07:24 |  #12

Refurbished Canon 10-22 is $584.79 if you are in the US. http://shop.usa.canon.​com …uct_10051_10051​_269483_-1 (external link)

My Tokina 12-24mm f/4 is a great lens. It is sharp with beautiful colors. I chose to buy it based on price since I don't use UWA very often (my least used lens.) I would have purchased the Canon if price didn't matter or if there was a serious need for an UWA lens.


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May 18, 2013 07:27 |  #13

I'm not sure that you would find used Canon 10-22 lenses at $500 or less but I have definitely seen them going for $550 and up depending on age and condition here in the for sale classifieds section. Perhaps on eBay maybe, but remember that a fellow POTNer is likely to give you a better deal on one in excellent condition used.


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May 18, 2013 07:29 |  #14

I've never seen them go for over $520 but maybe I just haven't been looking hard enough :lol:


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May 18, 2013 07:41 as a reply to  @ stang67's post |  #15

Guess I'll have to look harder.

The one @ $650 was for a used one at the local Calumet/Penn store.
Big plus there is the ability inspect and/or return.
Online sale not so much




  
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