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Bottleneck from 135f2l on t3i?

 
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May 19, 2013 12:27 |  #16

Romax12 wrote in post #15946828 (external link)
what's AOV?
and i have a manfrotto mk294 I think is the name.. with a 3d head. I find myself shooting 90% of the time at the long end, and only going wider for landscapes, astrophotograpy, group shots etc'

AOV = Angle of View

As for shooting longer more often vs. wider...

That is probably true of 90% of shooters...they quickly find longer FL more beneficial than having wider FL, particularly early in the photography experience. Most of us learn the benefit of a pair of binoculars to 'see things more close up'. It often takes more time in photography to learn about wider FL advantages.

When I was in high school, as photography editor of the school newspaper, my kit included only a 'normal', and two telephoto FL (zooms were poor quality lenses back then!).
Now, when I buy a new kit (such as when going digital for the first time), my first 'additional' lens was a wide angle; I rarely pull out the tele FLs.

One thing to learn is how PERSPECTIVE (the relationship of the subject to its surroundings) makes significant contribution to the quality of our photographs, and that comes from CAMERA POSITION. Then FL becomes a matter of framing our shots to best show off the subject relative to its surroundings.


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May 19, 2013 12:27 |  #17

I use a 135mm on my crop and love it.


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May 19, 2013 12:33 |  #18

Wilt, as you said, im kinda begginer, and, for now, I don't see myself looking at shorter FL lenses, because of the fact that UWA will collect dust in my bag, and be taken only once in 2-3 months.


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May 19, 2013 12:34 |  #19

Although I agree that the Tech Talk is accurate,.

I disagree with the possible conclusion one should draw from that accuracy.

The 135 f/2L will make your jaw drop on any body once you see the pic on your monitor.

I use a 135mm on my crop and love it.

This is also true, and IMHO, more pertinent and more valuable info.

One need not upgrade to a different sensor size to appreciate the 135L
Not by a long shot.


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May 19, 2013 12:39 |  #20

:confused: so should my next purchase be a lens or a FF+lens (I can't use my ef-s on ff)


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May 19, 2013 12:41 |  #21

Romax12 wrote in post #15946880 (external link)
:confused: so should my next purchase be a lens or a FF+lens (I can't use my ef-s on ff)

all you have is the kit lens now...build up a solid set of lenses before you think about purchasing another camera...be it FF or not...


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May 19, 2013 13:15 |  #22

I've have owned the 18-135 and the 135L. I sold the 18-135 because my 15-85 is night and day better. I sold the 135L because I switched to 70-200 2.8.

These two lenses are about as different as you can get at the same focal length. The 18-135 is wide-open at f/5.6 at 135mm. The 135L is wide-open at f/2. THREE STOPS IS HUGE! And the 135L is excellent-sharp at f/2. The 135L focuses very quickly, too. These lenses are not even in the same league. The 18-135 is a consumer kit-zoom. The 135L is a professional-grade top-flight piece of hardware. I found the fixed FL of the 135L way too long be useful on apsc. I wish I had kept it now that I have a 5D.




  
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May 19, 2013 13:54 |  #23

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I've have owned the 18-135 and the 135L. I sold the 18-135 because my 15-85 is night and day better. I sold the 135L because I switched to 70-200 2.8.

These two lenses are about as different as you can get at the same focal length. The 18-135 is wide-open at f/5.6 at 135mm. The 135L is wide-open at f/2. THREE STOPS IS HUGE! And the 135L is excellent-sharp at f/2. The 135L focuses very quickly, too. These lenses are not even in the same league. The 18-135 is a consumer kit-zoom. The 135L is a professional-grade top-flight piece of hardware. I found the fixed FL of the 135L way too long be useful on apsc. I wish I had kept it now that I have a 5D.

I keep hearing people saying:"it's a kit vs pro-level" - but I don't understand in which ways?
build quality? nahh.. i guess its not really a factor in the decision.
sharpness?contrast?sat​uration? probably, but I don't have any other lens to compare though.
af speed? yes. I would like to get the fastest auto-focusing available today.
aperture? hell yeah. I want the background to melt away. i keep looking at the samples thread and being amazed at the bokeh quality this lens can produce.
if there are other factors I forgot please help me!


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May 19, 2013 15:08 |  #24

Romax12 wrote in post #15947090 (external link)
I keep hearing people saying:"it's a kit vs pro-level" - but I don't understand in which ways?
build quality? nahh.. i guess its not really a factor in the decision.
sharpness?contrast?sat​uration? probably, but I don't have any other lens to compare though.
af speed? yes. I would like to get the fastest auto-focusing available today.
aperture? hell yeah. I want the background to melt away. i keep looking at the samples thread and being amazed at the bokeh quality this lens can produce.
if there are other factors I forgot please help me!

The 18-135 is not built to near the standards of any L-lens. If you baby your equipment this won't make much difference. I use my stuff; as such it gets bumped around a bit.

Sharpness is a factor. Saturation and contrast are easy to adjust in post. I don't worry about them, too much. You can't add sharpness the lens did not capture. In my experience the 135L is better, in all 3 categories, at f/2 than the 18-135 is at any aperture.

Aperture can affect background blur. So does distance. You could shoot the 18-135 at f/8 and get similar amounts of background blur compared to the 135L at f/2, but the background would need to be MUCH further away. Yes, f/2 is better for that. The f/2 aperture really shines when it comes to shutter speed, or ISO, when you need them. This is the difference between ISO 200 and ISO 1600, or 1/125 and 1/1000. This is HUGE in shooting action. I bought my 135L specifically to shoot indoor basketball. You will never do that with an 18-135, if you care much about the results.

In conjunction with the fast action-stopping aperture, you will need fast accurate focusing. Most, if not all, Canon bodies made in the last 10 years or so focus faster, and more accurately with an f/2.8 or faster lens than with an f/5.6 lens.

If you are shooting things that move, the 135L is vastly superior to the 18-135 in almost every way. The 18-135 does have IS. How much it helps when the shutter speed is above 1/500 is questionable. If you shoot static objects at f/8, you probably won't ever see the difference.

Allow me to repeat, IMHO, the 135L is too long to be practical on a crop-sensor camera. That is why I went to a 70-200 2.8. The zoom is just more versatile. I lose 1 stop of light, yet retain the quick, accurate AF. And again, now that I have 5D, I'd love to give the 135L a second chance.

The 18-135 is a good, all-around general purpose lens. I used mine for years before upgrading to the 15-85. What it is NOT is a low-light and/or action lens. That is where the 135L shines. Lots of users tout it as THE portrait lens. I don't think I ever used it in that manner. I hope some of this helps.




  
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May 19, 2013 18:06 |  #25

Maybe try the 100/2? Great lens at a lot less money. And, don't forget, you can rent lenses amd try them out before buying.


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May 19, 2013 19:12 |  #26

I have the 135mm f2 too and its an amazing lens. I use it on my 6d and 650d, you just have to remember that 135 on crop is somewhat about 210mm, so pretty long, and maybe too long, for certain situations. Since you have a crop camera id say, go with something like the 50mm 1.4 or maybe the 85mm 1.8. Theyre both pretty similiar in price and offer a good image quality. If you can spend more you want to consider buying the 50mm 1.2 which is also an amazing lens or something like above recommended a 100mm makro.


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May 20, 2013 00:27 as a reply to  @ davidfarina's post |  #27

I've owned my 135L for about four years. Its image quality simply blows me away.

Two weeks ago I bought an EF-S 18-135mm IS STM for my EOS M for shooting videos. I've also used it quite a bit on my 50D for stills. At 135mm and wide open I'm continually saying ' Fark look at that' everytime I have a full sized RAW up on my screen. This lens is that good. For a kit lens, it's exceptional, and that's coming from a fast prime lover.

I really need to do some side by side testing against my 135L


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May 20, 2013 05:09 |  #28

yogestee wrote in post #15948671 (external link)
I've owned my 135L for about four years. Its image quality simply blows me away.

Two weeks ago I bought an EF-S 18-135mm IS STM for my EOS M for shooting videos. I've also used it quite a bit on my 50D for stills. At 135mm and wide open I'm continually saying ' Fark look at that' everytime I have a full sized RAW up on my screen. This lens is that good. For a kit lens, it's exceptional, and that's coming from a fast prime lover.

I really need to do some side by side testing against my 135L

Yes i own the 18-135 IS STM too. It has a good IQ no matter what, but it lacks the aperture. Id wish it has a fixed aperture of 2,8 or 4...


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May 20, 2013 05:32 |  #29

I think Digital Picture is a fine website for reviews, but that lens comparison feature I don't trust. When I compare examples of lenses I've owned for years, some of my sharpest lenses look awful and the reverse is true as well. Instead, I like comparing lenses with the detailed reviews on Photozone.de.

Also, I agree with Gasrocks on the excellence of the 100mm f2.




  
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May 20, 2013 07:40 |  #30

Romax12 wrote in post #15946786 (external link)
gasrocks, FIY, im not a super reach guy who is looking to spend money on useless things he doesn't even like - i'm considering all of my options, and look at every singel lens and camera reviews out there, and saving money since last year - because im 16. As I said, money doesn't grow on trees and I don't want to get the wrong decision when talking about 1k in dollars.
I feel that my current equipment limits my photography, and I want to go one step ahead.
I like shooting family and friends, from the waist-above-head style. I also like take pictures of my dog running and landscapes and wildlife.
I also considered the 100-400, beacuse we are planning a trip to tanzania next april (nothing's certain though). So im in the boat for my next purchase.

While I own a 135L and think it's a fantastic lens, I'm not sure it's the best way to spend your money right now, based on what you say you shoot and you only currently owning the 18-135mm lens. A more versatile lens would be a telephoto zoom -- either one of the 70-200mm's, the 70-300L or 100-400L, depending on what is more important to you -- reach, speed or size/weight.


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