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May 20, 2013 18:16 |  #1

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I just bought two of these: http://www.homedepot.c​om …&R=100664505#.U​ZqtQyvcruR (external link)

For the bulbs, I was looking for CFL 100 watt 6500K, although I could only find CFL 100 watt 5000K at the store, so I just bought those. Will this still work for a cheap lighting set up? Will there be a noticeable difference with the 5k opposed to the 6500?

I am hobbyist who wants to try out in door lighting and somebody recommended the above set up for me.

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May 20, 2013 18:49 |  #2

There won't be a difference as long as you set the correct color balance. That won't give you much light to work with, but will be ok for still/product shots.


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May 20, 2013 18:54 |  #3

That won't give you much light to work with, but will be ok for still/product shots.


Thanks for the advice Q-Man. Can you suggest something else? I didn't open the bulbs yet and still have the receipt. Looking for a cheap set up to do portraits. It doesn't have to be amazing, just good. I have horrible lighting in my apartment.

I know you get what you pay for, but...I'm open to ideas.


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May 20, 2013 20:05 |  #4

futurebrewer wrote in post #15951106 (external link)
Thanks for the advice Q-Man. Can you suggest something else? I didn't open the bulbs yet and still have the receipt. Looking for a cheap set up to do portraits. It doesn't have to be amazing, just good. I have horrible lighting in my apartment.

I know you get what you pay for, but...I'm open to ideas.


I would personally avoid anything but actual photography equipment if you're shooting people. We bought similar items for some food and product shots we did when we first started and it worked well enough, but as we evolved we quickly learned that those setups were basically garbage. If you're on a budget, try looking for a used speedlight. You can accomplish quite a bit with even just one strobe and a modifier - or even just bounce if you're really on a budget.

To do proper portraits you will need quite a bit more power than what something like what you bought can offer - and ideally you should be able to adjust the power, so that you have as much creative license with your shots.

I think you'd be better off with a starter kit like one of these:

http://www.amazon.com …1-1&keywords=lighting+ki​t (external link)

http://www.amazon.com …1-2&keywords=lighting+ki​t (external link)




  
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May 20, 2013 22:46 |  #5

Those would likely produce harsh light for people. You might bet lucky with some used gear but I am not aware of true portrait lighting at a price like that


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May 21, 2013 11:53 |  #6

Those would likely produce harsh light for people.

I'm a little confused. If you look at the amazon link for the "actual photography" lights:

http://www.amazon.com …1-1&keywords=lighting+ki​t (external link)

You can see that they have three 45 Watt 5500k Daylight bulbs.

I went out and bought two 100 watt 5000k daylight bulbs.

Is there a difference here? The bulbs that come with the amazon kit are pretty much the same CFL bulbs I bought except for the wattage.


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May 21, 2013 12:01 |  #7

futurebrewer wrote in post #15953313 (external link)
I'm a little confused. If you look at the amazon link for the "actual photography" lights:

http://www.amazon.com …1-1&keywords=lighting+ki​t (external link)

You can see that they have three 45 Watt 5500k Daylight bulbs.

I went out and bought two 100 watt 5000k daylight bulbs.

Is there a difference here? The bulbs that come with the amazon kit are pretty much the same CFL bulbs I bought except for the wattage.

You really need to skip this junk and buy yourself a single flash, a stand, and a shoot through umbrella. Low powered CFL's have lots of issues. The non photo ones may not be full spectrum lights, so getting a true white balance is difficult if not impossible. The power is so low that you cant get decent depth of field and maintain good shutter speed. As mentioned above you can use that sort of stuff for a product shot setup where you can use a tripod, but for people its awful.




  
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May 21, 2013 12:32 |  #8

futurebrewer wrote in post #15953313 (external link)
I'm a little confused. If you look at the amazon link for the "actual photography" lights:

http://www.amazon.com …1-1&keywords=lighting+ki​t (external link)

You can see that they have three 45 Watt 5500k Daylight bulbs.

I went out and bought two 100 watt 5000k daylight bulbs.

Is there a difference here? The bulbs that come with the amazon kit are pretty much the same CFL bulbs I bought except for the wattage.


I started with a cheap kit like that in the beginning and it worked great for learning light. I then bought a few flash brackets to mount speedlites to the that same kit and worked even better. Then moved up to cheap ebay strobes, so I wouldn't have to use batteries and made alot of cash doing portrait work. Then moved up to AB and then to Elinchrom. I still own everything; but the AB stuff and still use it when I need it.

Light is Light don't make a difference what it is as long as you can control it.

Buy what you can afford and learn it pro/cons then you will know what you will need when you upgrade.


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May 21, 2013 14:33 |  #9

You really need to skip this junk and buy yourself a single flash

How about these? I know nothing about lighting.

Canon Speedlite 430EX II
Neewer TT560 Flash
Canon 270EX II Speedlite
Yongnuo YN-560 II Speedlight
Canon Speedlite 320EX Flash


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May 21, 2013 14:43 |  #10

futurebrewer wrote in post #15953811 (external link)
How about these? I know nothing about lighting.

Canon Speedlite 430EX II
Neewer TT560 Flash
Canon 270EX II Speedlite
Yongnuo YN-560 II Speedlight
Canon Speedlite 320EX Flash

The canon 430exII is canon's entry level full featured flash. A nice compromise between features and price. A bit costly perhaps for a learner flash but its a nice little workhorse.

I dont know the neewer, but I think its a manual only flash which is fine for off camera work, but not as versatile for popping on the camera. Build quality is probably not the greatest but its cheap.

YN, see above. I think they are pretty much the same flash as the Neewer rebranded.

Canon 270 and 320. Not really worth the costs when you compare the features. If your budget wont go to a 430exII (or used 430ex, 550ex, or 580ex) I would suggest looking at some of the YN models that are capable of ETTL. They cost a bit more than the YN you listed, but still affordable.




  
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May 21, 2013 15:21 |  #11

I found a used Canon 430EX for $169.99 and it comes with a stand! New it is $429.99

the Canon 430EXII is the newer version but it costs less new and MORE used than Canon 430EX.

What's the deal?

Either way, if I grab that Canon 430EX with the stand, that should be good for some portraits right? I'll just need an umbrella?

EDIT: Also, is there a big advantage to owning the 430EXII over the 430EX?


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May 21, 2013 15:28 |  #12

The canon 430ex is the same basic flash as the 430exII with a couple of differences. The 430exII got an upgraded foot/mounting system. More importantly the II is capable of being controlled via the internal flash menu on your camera if you have it on the hotshoe. Instead of setting the flash exposure compensation via the menu you would have to do it on the back of the flash.

You would need an umbrella, and the bracket to mount it on the stand if you dont have one. You would also need some method of triggering the flash, either radio triggers or a long ETTL cord.




  
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May 21, 2013 21:43 |  #13

futurebrewer wrote in post #15953313 (external link)
: http://www.homedepot.c​om/p/t/1006645...5#.UZ​qtQyvcruR (external link)
I'm a little confused. If you look at the amazon link for the "actual photography" lights:

http://www.amazon.com …1-1&keywords=lighting+ki​t (external link)

The difference is this kit includes umbrellas which will create a larger light source that is desirable for flattering light but less light power by spreading and blocking some of the light from the bulbs in either kit. Your original link was only lights in a silvery bowl. If you used the first lights in the silvery bowl with the umbrellas you'd make a step in the right direction as far as learning but you'd not want to appear in public with that setup... Do either of these light fixtures provide a dimmer?


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May 22, 2013 08:56 |  #14

1. buy one flash (the 430ex is fine for starting)
2. buy one set of YN-622 triggers ( you can do ettl or manual off camera flash with them) $90 on ebay, photogadget is a reliable (if slow) supplier.

3. buy this set:
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …Flash_Umbrella_​Mount.html (external link)

Go have fun!

buy another flash when you have the money, or buy a cheaper Yongnou flash, or even a canon old film flash that has manual power adjustments.


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May 22, 2013 15:01 |  #15

Can the 430ex be mounted to my 5Dc and be controlled by my camera? I'm not even sure what all of this means or if it's am advantage to have that feature.


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