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May 21, 2013 14:47 |  #1

hey guys.
I want to start doing some portrait stuff with off camera flash and all I have right now is my camera, lens, and a tripod.
I saw jared polin's video (on youtube if you know him) about the basics off-camera flash.
http://youtu.be/21WWju​dp5LM?t=31m29s (external link)
I want to get reasults like in the picture that you see from the video. I was thinking about the 430exii and maybe some trigger (I don't want my pop-up flash to activate it, seems kinda annoying), aswell as an umbrella, stands, etc... Can the 430 act as a master (or whatever you call it, the abillity of a flash to remotly trigger another flash like the 600 can)? or will I need to invest in something like pocket wizard? If the 430 can be set as master then ill probably grab two of those in the future.


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May 21, 2013 17:56 |  #2

Yn-622's, YN-560EX II or YN-568, cowboy studio umbrella kit. You can get it all on ebay for pretty cheap.


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May 21, 2013 18:09 |  #3

ninobrn99 wrote in post #15954390 (external link)
Yn-622's, YN-560EX II or YN-568, cowboy studio umbrella kit. You can get it all on ebay for pretty cheap.

Umm... Forgive, but I'd say YN-622s+ YN-565EX or YN-568EX for a TTL setup.

or

RF-603s or Cactus V5 + YN-460ii / YN-560ii / YN-560iii for an all-manual one.

The YN-560EX won't do TTL with the YN-622c (it only does TTL via the sensor, not the hotshoe), and the 560ii is manual-only, so again, no point in getting the 622s with it.

The 603s+460ii is probably the cheapest combo, but is manual only. The 622s + 568EXs will give you a helluva lot more function for not that much more money.


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May 21, 2013 18:22 |  #4

As I always do, I'd suggest getting a flash that can do both ETTL and manual such as the yn565ex, yn568ex, 580ex II, di866ex II, ect.

The 430ex II does not have a master mode, but if you want it for off camera flash and you're only using one flash it won't need a master mode.

Your title is asking for the cheapest off camera flash set up. The cheapest you can get is an all manual set up with one of the yongnuo flashes that has a built in slave function (like the 560) and use your pop up flash to trigger it (however you said you don't want to do that).

Next cheapest is a manual flash (again like the 560) and a simple manual trigger set (like the yn603)

Persoanly I'd suggest a yn568ex or yn565ex and a set of yn622c triggers. It's going to be more expensive then a cheap manual only set up but you get full ETTL and manual function on and off camera as well as being able to remotely adjust flash setting through your cameras flash menus.

That covers the flash and trigger. After that you need something to put it on and something to modify it. The simplest and cheapest is just an 8' light stand, umbrella bracket, and an umbrella (I'd suggest a convertible one that can be used as a bounce and shoot through)




  
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May 21, 2013 18:23 |  #5

inkista wrote in post #15954434 (external link)
Umm... Forgive, but I'd say YN-622s+ YN-565EX or YN-568EX for a TTL setup.

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The 603s+460ii is probably the cheapest combo, but is manual only. The 622s + 568EXs will give you a helluva lot more function for not that much more money.

I agree. If I had it to do over, this is the route I would take.


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May 21, 2013 18:25 |  #6

inkista wrote in post #15954434 (external link)
Umm... Forgive, but I'd say YN-622s+ YN-565EX or YN-568EX for a TTL setup.

or

RF-603s or Cactus V5 + YN-460ii / YN-560ii / YN-560iii for an all-manual one.

The YN-560EX won't do TTL with the YN-622c (it only does TTL via the sensor, not the hotshoe), and the 560ii is manual-only, so again, no point in getting the 622s with it.

The 603s+460ii is probably the cheapest combo, but is manual only. The 622s + 568EXs will give you a helluva lot more function for not that much more money.

Didn't know he wanted TTL. I mentioned both just in case. I just saw "cheapest setup" and figured I'd chime in with a couple of options. :D

For the OP, I can say that I was playing with my 430EX II and the YN-560 and really like being able to make my adjustments on the camera. I don't really mind the manual flash, but I'm debating on whether to get a 568 or another 430. The YN-560 would end up being a rear light or something else...

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May 21, 2013 18:44 |  #7

ninobrn99 wrote in post #15954477 (external link)
Didn't know he wanted TTL.

He did not say anything about manual or ETTL. I think they were just say that using a 622 to trigger a manual only flash is an expensive and kind of pointless route to go as a yn560 can not use any of the features that make the yn622 a great trigger (ETTL, HSS, second curtain sync, remote adjustment)




  
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May 21, 2013 18:46 |  #8

gremlin75 wrote in post #15954521 (external link)
He did not say anything about manual or ETTL. I think they were just say that using a 622 to trigger a manual only flash is an expensive and kind of pointless route to go as a yn560 can not use any of the features that make the yn622 a great trigger (ETTL, HSS, second curtain sync, remote adjustment)

Got it. :) Yeah, I guess that's the reason I got them was for the TTL and HSS.


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May 21, 2013 19:54 |  #9

Romax12 wrote in post #15953851 (external link)
hey guys.
...I was thinking about the 430exii and maybe some trigger (I don't want my pop-up flash to activate it, seems kinda annoying), as well as an umbrella, stands, etc... Can the 430 act as a master (or whatever you call it, the ability of a flash to remotely trigger another flash like the 600 can)? or will I need to invest in something like pocket wizard? If the 430 can be set as master then ill probably grab two of those in the future.

The 430 EXII cannot act as a master. Neither does any of the Yongnuos. 580 or IIRC 550 are the only master flashes and I don't really know about the better after-market ones (Nissin, Metz etc).

If you don't mind me saying your attitude towards the pop-up flash as a master is wrong.

You can set it to control the slaves and although it will be visible as a reflection (in a background window for example), it does not contribute to the lighting at all. On the other hand, it is a manual/ETTL master controller and it comes for free.

It works well in a studio, even with daylight present, contrary to popular misconception it does NOT require direct visual contact between sensors in a relatively confined space and it gives you the ability to control (i.e. set the FEC or manual power) on your flashes remotely, from the camera.

I consider this feature an easy way to get into studio photography with a minimum outlay of funds.

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May 21, 2013 23:12 |  #10

Thank you all for the replys. Im sorry but i forgot to mention that im a noob when it comes to lighting, so i want ettl when putting my flash on camera for indoors. What is the differnce between ettl and ttl? Thanks.


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May 22, 2013 00:36 |  #11

Romax12 wrote in post #15955270 (external link)
Thank you all for the replys. Im sorry but i forgot to mention that im a noob when it comes to lighting, so i want ettl when putting my flash on camera for indoors. What is the differnce between ettl and ttl? Thanks.

You'll find many people say TTL when they really mean ETTL. So for the purposes of this thread where ever it say TTL just read it as ETTL (and unless I'm missing something yongnuo flashes don't even offer TTL.....I have my 568ex in front of me)

Here's a good video to explain the differences though

http://www.youtube.com …&v=pqpRQJhCHBo&​nomobile=1 (external link)

EDIT: Sorry, posted the mobile phone link....fixed that for the desktop link




  
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May 22, 2013 04:06 |  #12

So TTL is like auto mode for flash, and ETTL is on the same principal, but just more accurate?


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May 22, 2013 05:32 |  #13

You might also pick up one of Syl Arena's books. He explains Canon flash usage really, really well.


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May 22, 2013 08:43 |  #14

^^^^ That.

Romax12 wrote in post #15955689 (external link)
So TTL is like auto mode for flash, and ETTL is on the same principal, but just more accurate?

Yes, there are differences, but for all intents and purposes, ETTL/TTL you are wanting the camera/flash to make the exposure calculation. (there are differences, but not worth going into unless you have technical issues going on )

the YN-622 triggers are perfect for a beginner to use for off camera flash. No need to drop all the money on PW if you are just starting out. See my sig for more info.


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May 22, 2013 08:50 |  #15

Romax12 wrote in post #15955689 (external link)
So TTL is like auto mode for flash, and ETTL is on the same principal, but just more accurate?

Define accurate :P

ETTL uses the cameras meter so, just like anything else using the meter, it can be easily fooled by a lot of light or dark colors in the scene. The meter sees grey. It will try to get the camera to expose whites and blacks as grey. This can be seen by centering the cameras meter in a scene with a lot of white like a snow scene. The snow will look grey and to compensate you "over expose" compaired to what the camera thinks is the proper exposure (which give you a true proper exposure)

The meter has the same effect on the flash exposure. It will tell the flash to out put enough light to make things grey (be it by outputting to much or not enough light). So you have to learn to compensate for this by using FEC (flash exposure compensation)

Don't get me wrong, ETTL is an amazing tool for constantly changing conditions. I think it's easier then understanding guide numbers, subject distance, and adjusting power levels to suit when things are constantly changing.

That's why I always suggest a flash with ETTL as manual modes. Each is a different beast and each requires understanding how it works to get the most out of it. But both modes have their uses and it is good to learn each.




  
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