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May 22, 2013 09:40 |  #16

thanks you for the comments. ksbal - It looks like a good solution to get those cheppo yongnuo for 80 bucks, but I wonder why they are not being sold by bh?


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May 22, 2013 10:13 |  #17

I asked my local camera store why they aren't selling them. Their reply was they couldn't compete and needed more mark up. I would buy from them for 10 bucks more than on ebay, but I don't know if that is enough mark up to offset the store overhead costs. The supplier is selling them direct, and at a price someone can't buy a bunch and then sell them at a good price for them, I guess.

I am going to buy another pair, when I can swing it.


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May 22, 2013 10:58 |  #18

Can my t3i shoot with x-sync speed up to 1/4000 of a second?


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May 22, 2013 11:52 |  #19

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hey guys.
I want to start doing some portrait stuff with off camera flash and all I have right now is my camera, lens, and a tripod.
I saw jared polin's video (on youtube if you know him) about the basics off-camera flash.
http://youtu.be/21WWju​dp5LM?t=31m29s (external link)
I want to get reasults like in the picture that you see from the video. I was thinking about the 430exii and maybe some trigger (I don't want my pop-up flash to activate it, seems kinda annoying), aswell as an umbrella, stands, etc... Can the 430 act as a master (or whatever you call it, the abillity of a flash to remotly trigger another flash like the 600 can)? or will I need to invest in something like pocket wizard? If the 430 can be set as master then ill probably grab two of those in the future.

Hey Romax,

You've been given some good advice already and I will offer the following.

1) Go with radio triggers of some sort as those are the most reliable. Much more reliable than any optical trigger system via Master/Slave, especially outdoors. The cheapest would be the older Yongnuo yn-602's. Those are just simple and dumb triggers. I'd however recommend spending a little more and get the newer yn-622's. Those are better build, have ettl and consequently greater versatility.

2) Just FYI, ettl and ettl II are the newer and more sophisticated flash metering systems. They utilize a very fast "pre-flash" which helps to calculate the main flash output. Older flashes with ttl didn't have these abilities. Go HERE  (external link)for a good video on the subject.

3) I have a very nice Photek Softlighter II that you may be interested in. These are very versatile and act as both an unbrella and a softbox. Go HERE if interested.

Good luck with everything.


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May 23, 2013 06:43 |  #20

thanks ralph. I think im gonna order the yn-622c from ebay, after I will get the 430exii, and this is after im getting the 135. its gonna be a long time beacuse now I have to pay for driving lessons

EDIT: Ive found yongnuo near by for 120 bucks, but 430ex ii for 335. I guess Ill grab one when I will go to europe or something.


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May 23, 2013 08:38 as a reply to  @ Romax12's post |  #21

Things like flashes are quite a bit cheaper in the US than they are in Europe.


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May 23, 2013 09:02 |  #22

Romax12 wrote in post #15959298 (external link)
thanks ralph. I think im gonna order the yn-622c from ebay, after I will get the 430exii, and this is after im getting the 135. its gonna be a long time beacuse now I have to pay for driving lessons

EDIT: Ive found yongnuo near by for 120 bucks, but 430ex ii for 335. I guess Ill grab one when I will go to europe or something.

Where are you located? I got my YN-622C for $89 on Amazon and the 430ex ii I've seen from 250-300 most anywhere else.


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May 23, 2013 09:51 |  #23

Romax12 wrote in post #15959298 (external link)
thanks ralph. I think im gonna order the yn-622c from ebay, after I will get the 430exii, and this is after im getting the 135. its gonna be a long time beacuse now I have to pay for driving lessons

EDIT: Ive found yongnuo near by for 120 bucks, but 430ex ii for 335. I guess Ill grab one when I will go to europe or something.

Romax,
I just purchased a brand new set of Yongnuo yn-622's from an Ebay Seller which also includes a cheap miniature tripod; that sealed the deal.:)

You should consider Ebay or otherwise Amazon as ninobrn99 recommended.

Also. I'd highly recommend a Metz 48Af1 or Metz 50Af1 over the Canon 430ex II. All day long. The Metz flashes are top of the line quality, have more features than the Canon (no third party is better) and you can get a used one for significantly less ($150.00 +-).

In fact, you could get a new like and professional version Metz 58Af-1 or 58Af-2 for the price you are thinking of spending on the Canon 430ex II. There is no comparison there as the Metz 58 professional models are the equivalent of the professional Canon 580ex models.

The Metz flashes also have the ability of getting firmware updates via the Internet, so this can keep them up to date with new and added future features. My 48Af-1 now has optical slave ability via such an update.

Go HERE (external link) for flash comparisons.

Good luck,
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May 23, 2013 12:25 |  #24

Don't get me wrong - im not gonna spend 350$ on a flash, im just saying that this is the price where I live (Israel). I will probably go on a vacation in the next months so ill grab one when I will see it cheap. about the yongnuo, I need to get credit card first in order to get something from ebay (im 16).


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May 23, 2013 12:41 |  #25

Romax12 wrote in post #15960067 (external link)
Don't get me wrong - im not gonna spend 350$ on a flash, im just saying that this is the price where I live (Israel). I will probably go on a vacation in the next months so ill grab one when I will see it cheap. about the yongnuo, I need to get credit card first in order to get something from ebay (im 16).

I understand. Have fun with your photography and good luck with everything.

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May 23, 2013 14:06 |  #26

I would get two YN560 III ($80 each), one RF-603 ($17), two compact LumoPro stands ($40 each), two umbrellas ($13 each), and 8 XX Eneloop AA ($32). I can't think of a cheaper set up than this, ATM.


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May 23, 2013 15:30 |  #27

Romax12 wrote in post #15956648 (external link)
Can my t3i shoot with x-sync speed up to 1/4000 of a second?

Yes, if the flash will support HSS. the YN-622 triggers will support this.


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May 24, 2013 01:55 |  #28

ksbal wrote in post #15960707 (external link)
Yes, if the flash will support HSS. the YN-622 triggers will support this.

Does the 430ex ii also support hss? and if so, how do I set it up? do I just increase my shutter speed?


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May 24, 2013 02:00 as a reply to  @ Romax12's post |  #29

First, HSS must be enabled on the flash itself. Either by pressing a button on the flash, or by setting it through the camera's menu system. Look at the flash setup menu in the camera and check which options are available under "sync". That setup adapts itself to the capabilities of the flash you currently have mounted in the hot shoe.

Then, when the flash is set to HSS, what happens is that this setup will be "sleeping" as long as you don't select an exposure time shorter than the sync time. But as soon as you do, the little H in the viewfinder will show up, to tell you that you are now in high-speed sync mode.


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May 24, 2013 06:37 |  #30

what's the cheapest way to allow wireless flash power control?

I've got some el cheapo no-name triggers ($10) from ebay but it's a pain to always have to go up to the flash to change the settings.


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