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5D II or 6D in regard to IQ and High ISO?

 
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May 21, 2013 07:14 |  #16

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Lol i dont know but you must have mixed something. The ISO for 6D goes up to 104000 while (please correct me if i am wrong) the 5dM2 only goes to a maximum of 25000. So which sensor do you think will see more in lowlight?

I can say it from experience, a friend of mine has the 5dM2 and we both had our cams, him the 5d me the 6d and tried to shoot at late evening. The 5dM2 had no chance when it came to lowlight focussing and also image quality in lowlight...

@TO: Go for the 6D and youll be happy for a long time, since it is exactly what your searching for. I wouldnt matter if it is labeled as entry level camera, as it is at least as good as the 5D mark3 when it comes to image quality (the 5dM3 has alot of focuspoints more) but that is, at least for me, a nice feature which i dont need.

I'd bet the 6D just blew the 5D2 out of the water, right?


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May 21, 2013 07:45 |  #17

davidc502 wrote in post #15952571 (external link)
I'd bet the 6D just blew the 5D2 out of the water, right?

At least when it came to image quality and focussing in lowlight, yes.


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May 21, 2013 10:43 |  #18

davidfarina wrote in post #15952271 (external link)
Lol i dont know but you must have mixed something. The ISO for 6D goes up to 104000 while (please correct me if i am wrong) the 5dM2 only goes to a maximum of 25000. So which sensor do you think will see more in lowlight?

I can say it from experience, a friend of mine has the 5dM2 and we both had our cams, him the 5d me the 6d and tried to shoot at late evening. The 5dM2 had no chance when it came to lowlight focussing and also image quality in lowlight...

@TO: Go for the 6D and youll be happy for a long time, since it is exactly what your searching for. I wouldnt matter if it is labeled as entry level camera, as it is at least as good as the 5D mark3 when it comes to image quality (the 5dM3 has alot of focuspoints more) but that is, at least for me, a nice feature which i dont need.

Um... That's what I said. I was defending your post...


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May 21, 2013 11:24 |  #19

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At least when it came to image quality and focussing in lowlight, yes.

I can believe focusing in low light would be better although the 6d is gonna lock on in lower light, it will take longer than normal. Better late than never though.

As for ISO, it has about a 1/2 to 2/3 stop better ISO noise than the 5D2... Not sure that that constitutes as "blowing out of the water". Of course there is 51200 and 102400 on the 6D, but I hardly find those useable, but it's there in an emergency.

Here is a really good resource for ISO noise differences between the two cameras.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …al-SLR-Camera-Review.aspx (external link)

As for Image Quality differences, I'm not sure one can tell the difference between the two.. Dynamic Range is about the same (edge goes to 6d), ISO noise is fairly similar, SNR is pretty close, color rendition is nearly the same, so I'm not sure where the IQ is so much better on the 6D.


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May 21, 2013 11:39 |  #20

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I can believe focusing in low light would be better although the 6d is gonna lock on in lower light, it will take longer than normal. Better late than never though.

As for ISO, it has about a 1/2 to 2/3 stop better ISO noise than the 5D2... Not sure that that constitutes as "blowing out of the water". Of course there is 51200 and 102400 on the 6D, but I hardly find those useable, but it's there in an emergency.

Here is a really good resource for ISO noise differences between the two cameras.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …al-SLR-Camera-Review.aspx (external link)

As for Image Quality differences, I'm not sure one can tell the difference between the two.. Dynamic Range is about the same (edge goes to 6d), ISO noise is fairly similar, SNR is pretty close, color rendition is nearly the same, so I'm not sure where the IQ is so much better on the 6D.

Technically correct, however I as well as many others find that the noise pattern is much less obtrusive on the 6D and 5D3 than it was with the 5D2. There's very little to no color noise even at ISO12,800 and above and minimal banding. Most of the noise you get with the newer sensored cameras is light and dark speckles which for most photos looks like film grain. I've shot both cameras plenty of times, in actual practice the 6D is clearly a better performer and when the price difference is only a couple hundred bucks, it's worth it.


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May 21, 2013 11:49 |  #21

davidc502 wrote in post #15953213 (external link)
I can believe focusing in low light would be better although the 6d is gonna lock on in lower light, it will take longer than normal. Better late than never though.

As for ISO, it has about a 1/2 to 2/3 stop better ISO noise than the 5D2... Not sure that that constitutes as "blowing out of the water". Of course there is 51200 and 102400 on the 6D, but I hardly find those useable, but it's there in an emergency.

Here is a really good resource for ISO noise differences between the two cameras.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …al-SLR-Camera-Review.aspx (external link)

As for Image Quality differences, I'm not sure one can tell the difference between the two.. Dynamic Range is about the same (edge goes to 6d), ISO noise is fairly similar, SNR is pretty close, color rendition is nearly the same, so I'm not sure where the IQ is so much better on the 6D.

My 6D is pretty snappy when focusing in low light. Especially with the center point. I've shot some shows at ISO 12,800, f/2, and 1/60th SS and the center point is quick to lock on. The outer points need a bit more light although they do a decent job too.

I think at low ISO, image quality is going to be about a wash between the two bodies. I'd say at high ISO, the 6D has at least a full stop of noise improvements. Some say it's better than the 5Dmk3, although no one I personally know shoots one so I haven't had a chance to make the comparison myself. My business partner shoots with a 5Dmk2 regularly and the noise is definitely smoother and cleaner in the 6D when shooting above ISO 3200.


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May 21, 2013 12:10 as a reply to  @ EverydayGetaway's post |  #22

People keep talking about the 6D being labeled a "consumer" or "entry level" full frame camera. But really, the 5Dc was supposed to be the consumer answer to full frame when it was released. Many considered the 5D2 a consumer camera compared to the 1D line when it was released. Everything about the 6D says 5D2 replacement to me. They moved the 5D3 higher up in the lineup and needed a new full frame in the same ballpark price wise that the 5D2 was at.

The noise difference is really subjective though. I think the 6D does have a noticeable edge over the 5D2 above ISO 3200. I find ISO 25600 quite useable with the right processing. But again, it's subjective.


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May 21, 2013 14:12 |  #23

I just looked at pics where the 5d mark2 at iso 6400 looked like 51200 on my 6d, and i have to agree with the post above, i wont use 104000 for professional work, but it looks like a picture from an iphone when its not soo dark. Also i find the images shot at 25600 quite usable. Everything above is nice to have but dont expect too much. Anyway great performance!

Small offtopic question. Does the 6d has a similiar sensor compared to the 5d mark3?


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May 22, 2013 17:31 as a reply to  @ davidfarina's post |  #24

I upgraded from 5D2 to 6D last month and honestly, the only thing I missed was the (barely) larger size of the 5d2 body, other than that, 6D is equal if not better at everything else.

also, cant comment on the weather sealing on either body cuz i live in the sunny California =P


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May 22, 2013 18:11 |  #25

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I upgraded from 5D2 to 6D last month and honestly, the only thing I missed was the (barely) larger size of the 5d2 body, other than that, 6D is equal if not better at everything else.

also, cant comment on the weather sealing on either body cuz i live in the sunny California =P

Quite true.

I was just reading another thread about the lack of seal on the 6D's multi-direction wheel (whatever it's called).

I seriously thought about a 6D before buying my 5DII, but what persuaded me toward the latter was it's built quality (seals and such things), since image quality is about the same for my type of shooting during the day. Also, I bought it from Canon, refurbished, for under $1,500.


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May 22, 2013 19:07 as a reply to  @ Rafromak's post |  #26

The reasons I chose the 6D route over 5D2 was this:

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Now to IQ and higher ISO. 6D wins at 12,800 and above imho. This 6D is the perfect camera for what "I" do.

Higher iso capability is amazing. Look at this shot. Iso 20,000 2.8 1/160 with 40mm pancake. If it wasn't for this camera there is no way I could've gotten shots of my newborn daughter in the NICU where they keep lights down low and do not allow flash, especially when you need to keep shutter up to keep hands and such from showing up as a blur.

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May 23, 2013 04:41 |  #27

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The reasons I chose the 6D route over 5D2 was this:

Video recording button dial as found on 7D/5D3
Silent Shutter
Minimum shutter selection (I use the 1/125 & 1/250 a ton)
Microadjustment for zooms is available for wide and tele ends
WIFI - This makes me so happy

Now to IQ and higher ISO. 6D wins at 12,800 and above imho. This 6D is the perfect camera for what "I" do.

Higher iso capability is amazing. Look at this shot. Iso 20,000 2.8 1/160 with 40mm pancake. If it wasn't for this camera there is no way I could've gotten shots of my newborn daughter in the NICU where they keep lights down low and do not allow flash, especially when you need to keep shutter up to keep hands and such from showing up as a blur.

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May 25, 2013 04:05 |  #28

I have been in quite a few battles over this very topic. I have a 5d ii and love it to death. But the more I use it the more I am disliking the ability of it to grab focus properly. Even if the subject is moving slowly and I am tracking, I would say 2 of 5 shots taken would be focusing on the wrong part. This may just be user error but it happens quite a bit with center point focus for me. To me these camera's are very similar but the newer technology and the neat little extras that the 6d has is nice ie: wifi, gps... also the size and weight difference compared to the heavier 5d ii is nice as well. The 5d ii is definately showing its age now but its still a great camera. If you can pick one up for a good price I say go for it and buy a fast lens with the money saved. But if you want the latest and greatest plus the newer technology, better low light performance (not saying the 5d ii is bad though) -----> 6d




  
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May 25, 2013 10:53 as a reply to  @ milleniumking's post |  #29

I spent several hours photographing an old B-29 yesterday. While standing on the runway under the bomb bay doors there was very little light to shoot the interior of the bomb bay but I decided to take a few shots anyway. I was amazed at the shots that I got. In low light the 6D beats anything I have ever used. (In addition to the cameras that I own I have used a 5DII and a 5DIII.)


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May 25, 2013 13:28 |  #30

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I spent several hours photographing an old B-29 yesterday. While standing on the runway under the bomb bay doors there was very little light to shoot the interior of the bomb bay but I decided to take a few shots anyway. I was amazed at the shots that I got. In low light the 6D beats anything I have ever used. (In addition to the cameras that I own I have used a 5DII and a 5DIII.)

Would you say it beats even the 5dM3?

But compared with a 1Dx with 200000 Iso no chance :P


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