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May 30, 2013 08:06 |  #1

Ok, decided to clean my sensor so took it out and now what?

IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'image/gif' | Byte size: ZERO | PHOTOBUCKET ERROR IMAGE


Now the hilarious part is over... I've got some sticky residue on the sensor where the hot mirror sticky tape brushed it on the way out :mad:

Copperhill would be my normal 'go to' method but that's on the low pass filter and not directly on the sensor surface... what does the collective POTN wisdom think - safe to use directly on the sensor or not? I'm erring towards yes but use sparingly.

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P.s. It's an IR conversion of a very old but trusty 10D which really didn't deserve this abuse... :D


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May 30, 2013 08:09 |  #2

I think I am doing this sensor cleaning wrong...


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May 30, 2013 08:09 |  #3

That's a good one!!! Thanks for the laugh. :rolleyes:


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May 30, 2013 08:55 as a reply to  @ SkipD's post |  #4

Now that you've got it out why not just replace it with a new one?:lol:


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May 30, 2013 12:11 |  #5

rrblint wrote in post #15982227 (external link)
Now that you've got it out why not just replace it with a new one?:lol:

lol, trust me - the less I take apart on this camera the greater the chance of it ever working again...putting it back together is going to be a complete bugger of a job. If I ever appear in the 'Sell' forum offering a well looked after 10D then don't be tempted ;)



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May 30, 2013 12:24 as a reply to  @ perfect_pixel's post |  #6

I'd just dip the whole sensor in a bowl of warm water and Fairy ;)


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May 31, 2013 04:41 |  #7

Does the 'Copperhill' method involve the use of Eclipse? I'd be a little doubtful about using methanol directly on the surface of the sensor and it's a fairly strong solvent. Sticky residue should come off with isopropanol, which is a weaker solvent than methanol. But I'd spend more time trying to find out for sure just what is safe.


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May 31, 2013 05:49 |  #8

Thanks Frank - I was just sitting down to play with this and thought I'd have a final check here to see any comments!

I've got some isopropanol so will give that a go - to be honest if it does any harm then I won't be overly upset. This 10D was just meant as a learning experience before getting into the guts of a more expensive body - very glad I did, lots of lessons learnt!


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May 31, 2013 05:59 |  #9

hollis_f wrote in post #15985181 (external link)
Does the 'Copperhill' method involve the use of Eclipse? I'd be a little doubtful about using methanol directly on the surface of the sensor and it's a fairly strong solvent. Sticky residue should come off with isopropanol, which is a weaker solvent than methanol. But I'd spend more time trying to find out for sure just what is safe.

Frank,

Eclipse has been used to clean sensors for over a decade, so if there were any real danger involved, we would have heard about it by now. It is methanol which is the best fluid to break down oil/lubricant and is guaranteed to evaporate totally. That's the only problem with water based formulas, the chance that some residue will remain and may need to be cleaned up with some sort of smear removal fluid, making it a 2-step process.

Photographic Solutions is the only company giving a guarantee that their products will not harm any sensor/AA-filter surface coating. Eclipse has been tested extensively in their labs and battle-tested here in the real-world. The only issue that ever reared its ugly head was the defective coatings on one of the first 5D batches in which even VD's fluid had a detrimental effect.

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May 31, 2013 06:19 |  #10

Thanks for the humor Steve! Still laughing.



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May 31, 2013 06:20 |  #11

perfect_pixel wrote in post #15982102 (external link)
Copperhill would be my normal 'go to' method but that's on the low pass filter and not directly on the sensor surface.

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Eclipse has been used to clean sensors for over a decade

No it hasn't. It's been used to clean the AA filter in front of sensors for more than a decade. And I'd be quite happen to recommend using methanol to clean the AA filter in front of a sensor.

However, Steve's original post (quoted above) makes it very clear that he's not talking about cleaning the AA filter in front of a sensor, he's cleaning the sensor itself, sans filtre.

Now, I have no idea if the sensor itself will survive wiping with methanol. It's quite likely that it would. But it's also possible that methanol will dissolve important bits and ruin it. I was advocating a less risky option. Of course, if you know for sure that the sensor would be OK with methanol then please let Steve know.

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That's the only problem with water based formulas

Which is one reason why I recommended a non-water based formula (propan-2-ol).


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May 31, 2013 06:32 |  #12

Frank,

Over that same decade, people have always referred to "sensor cleaning" as the generic term for actually cleaning the filter, I'm sure you're aware of that. I know of no one who has ever attempted to wipe the sensor array with anything so if Steve wants to give it a go, it would be interesting to see his results.

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May 31, 2013 08:34 |  #13

Thanks Nicholas and Frank.

I've given it a once over with the isopropanol judiciously applied with cotton buds - to the naked eye it looks like it's taken the sticky bits off and I can't see any obvious damage to the sensor surface...putting it all back together again now in any case.

I'll be going home for the weekend this evening and (assuming it even turns on) will try a few shots tomorrow and see what they come out like - I've a feeling things may not be quite that simple but an eternal optimist... :)


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May 31, 2013 16:11 |  #14

Couldn't wait to see if this worked...

Sensor is still working so the isopropyl directly on it appears to have been ok.

Lots of 'bits' stuck in it:

IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'image/gif' | Byte size: ZERO | PHOTOBUCKET ERROR IMAGE


Need to investigate whether they are (hopefully) on top of the high pass filter or (sod's law) in between the filter and the sensor which will necessitate completely dismantling it all again :cry:

Don't judge too harshly but first pic straight out the camera (well RAW-JPEG):
IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'image/gif' | Byte size: ZERO | PHOTOBUCKET ERROR IMAGE


WB off, focus off, etc. etc. I know - it works at least though and looks vaguely like it should! Happy with that as a first attempt :)

Nicholas and Frank - thanks again for the cleaning advice!


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May 31, 2013 16:20 |  #15

With a converted camera is it easier to get sharper images? I had a very hard time, couldn't use anything smaller than F4.


This is the only decently sharp one I ever got, on a non converted 10D.


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