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Wow, just wow - Sun Times lays off Photo staff

 
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May 31, 2013 12:32 |  #46

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May 31, 2013 12:38 |  #47

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Have you ever worked at a paper?

Nope.

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #15986094 (external link)
Do you know what type of work is required of a full-time guy?

For the most part, yup.

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They aren't just taking pics of sunsets. They are on call and working ridiculous times and hours.

So is a good portion of working Americans. Are you saying that the hours they put in are somehow more important that the hours others do?

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Trying to find a stringer to do the work of a full-timer is going to kill them. They are going to miss assignments and are going to have weaker content.

Bottom line is few people care. Maybe a handful of photographer and those close to the industry, but the vast majority of folks simply just don't care. They just want to get cheaper news. I guess I'm cynical but I come from another industry that has been decimated by the same thinking and I'll bet you have a house full of goods that have been directly responsible for the loss of millions of local jobs. You too want you goods cheaper and don't care who it affects as long as it's not you. Well, today it's the staff photographers turn, tomorrow, someone else.


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May 31, 2013 13:18 |  #48

caoko wrote in post #15986199 (external link)
it's a newspaper. the news is a day late. photographers have plenty of time to goto the metra crash.

To catch the cleanup maybe.




  
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May 31, 2013 13:30 as a reply to  @ gonzogolf's post |  #49

Hey, its CHICAGO.... What do you expect??????

For anyone who may have won a Pulitzer Prize in 1982... What have you done for us lately???

Having read Chicago papers in the past, at least now the level of photography will lower itself to the level of its writing.... When the writing hits bottom, they can just pull stuff off "Tips" website... Wait, they'll be out of business by then.

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May 31, 2013 13:33 |  #50

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Never gonna happen. You have to know how to find light and how to use it properly. You still have to know how to pose. You still have to know composition. This cant be replaced with software or the best camera on the planet. The Iphone mentality customer and person that thinks the point and shoot look is good enough is not my client. We have seen big changes in the wedding industry over the past 2 yrs. The word is out on the craigslist photographers and entry photography crowd. The brides the past 2 yrs have got very smart because they know someone who has got screwed up photography. Full auto people and the new natural light photographers are not a worry to the majority of us.

Never say never. Just look at the technology that were seeing in the last 50 years. Who knows what's gong to be out there in 2063? I agree its highly unlikely but maybe in 50 years...who knows...




  
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May 31, 2013 21:15 |  #51

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #15986067 (external link)
A few layoffs maybe not. Laying off the entire department and deciding you don't need a single photographer on staff is ridiculous.

It is absolutely ridiculous.

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #15986094 (external link)
Papers usually don't shoot a lot of studio stuff.

Have you ever worked at a paper? Do you know what type of work is required of a full-time guy? They aren't just taking pics of sunsets. They are on call and working ridiculous times and hours. Trying to find a stringer to do the work of a full-timer is going to kill them. They are going to miss assignments and are going to have weaker content.

This is the bottom line. They will save money, sure, but their content will most definitely suffer. Writers aren't photographers and vice versa. Photojournalists are professionals. It's like thinking you can ask a mechanic to perform heart surgery because he knows how to take something apart and put it back together. It's another symptom of the pervasive attitude infiltrating our society; most people think that anyone can do it. It's not true, have you seen most of the photos on Facebook? That's what happens when just anyone does it.


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Jun 01, 2013 13:04 |  #52

Writers aren't photographers and vice versa.

I will say that a lot of PJs were writers first. Pretty much no writers were PJs first. When I was going through J school, we were taught that everyone needs to learn to write because a photog may be called upon to write if they are the ones witnessing a situation.


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Jun 01, 2013 15:51 |  #53

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I will say that a lot of PJs were writers first. Pretty much no writers were PJs first. When I was going through J school, we were taught that everyone needs to learn to write because a photog may be called upon to write if they are the ones witnessing a situation.

True and firing professionals like this is only going to weaken the content. More PJs know how to write than writers know how to shoot, totally true. It's just a sad state of affairs all around.


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Jun 01, 2013 16:16 |  #54

It really sucks but the Sun Times is and has been in serious trouble for a while now. The news papers were crazy for giving their content away in the beginning. Like the CEO of AP said they should have been charging for viewing what costs them a lot of money to produce through on line subscriptions and pay for view of individual articles. VERY, VERY sad day.....




  
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Jun 01, 2013 17:11 |  #55

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...The news papers were crazy for giving their content away in the beginning. Like the CEO of AP said they should have been charging for viewing what costs them a lot of money to produce through on line subscriptions and pay for view of individual articles. VERY, VERY sad day.....

I'm guessing that if they choose that path the few who viewed them online would have fled. Newspapers and newspaper type reporting has had it's day and is geared towards a much older crowd. Even back in the 1980's when i worked for an electronic subsidiary of the Suntimes, the newsroom just didn't get it. They kept insisting that the news had to be edited and polished. The company failed.


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Jun 01, 2013 17:39 |  #56

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #15986094 (external link)
Papers usually don't shoot a lot of studio stuff.

Have you ever worked at a paper? Do you know what type of work is required of a full-time guy? They aren't just taking pics of sunsets. They are on call and working ridiculous times and hours. Trying to find a stringer to do the work of a full-timer is going to kill them. They are going to miss assignments and are going to have weaker content.

Crowd-Sourcing...

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Jun 01, 2013 17:45 |  #57

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I'm guessing that if they choose that path the few who viewed them online would have fled. Newspapers and newspaper type reporting has had it's day and is geared towards a much older crowd. Even back in the 1980's when i worked for an electronic subsidiary of the Suntimes, the newsroom just didn't get it. They kept insisting that the news had to be edited and polished. The company failed.

According to the CEO of AP if everyone would have realized the potential and treated it the same way that they did their print everyone would have had to pay to get the information thus increased revenue and probably not the problem they are having now. They have to pay people to create it, the public should have to pay to get it.




  
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Jun 01, 2013 18:58 |  #58

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According to the CEO of AP if everyone would have realized the potential and treated it the same way that they did their print everyone would have had to pay to get the information thus increased revenue and probably not the problem they are having now. They have to pay people to create it, the public should have to pay to get it.

Or you leave and look for other sources.


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Jun 01, 2013 19:02 |  #59

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Or you leave and look for other sources.

But if you are the source and you own it there are no other sources ;) And if all the sources are charging then you have to pay or you don't get it. Without that we can clearly see what has happened.




  
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Jun 01, 2013 19:48 |  #60

...crowdsourcing is all well and good: but when the bombs start going off the overwhelming majority of the crowd (and rightfully so) start heading away from the drama, and not towards it. It should come as no surprise that the overwhelming majority of iconic images from the Boston bombing came from the pros, and not the crowd.

Our local paper has a couple of fantastic photographers on staff who shoot all kinds of different things. One of them make big use of a single off camera flash and takes outstanding environmental portraits, its great having daily photographic case studies delivered to my door every day. The guys who shoot for my local paper? They are GOOD. They are journeyman, producing good work daily and so often its hard to appreciate the skills that they have.

I don't fault the Sun Times for looking at their bottom line and deciding that some jobs need to go. But to sack an entire department is short sighted. Its a sign of a company that has run out of cash and has run out of ideas.


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