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Jun 01, 2013 21:42 |  #76

Ratjack wrote in post #15990384 (external link)
There is no debating that the light output of a strobe is much more than a speedlite lol. It just seems that there are a lot of people that think speedlites are completely inferior to strobes. If someone really wanted to they could easily overpower the sun with speedlites much like what a person could do with a single AB1600. It is all situational, so I just think trying to discredit one or the other is just dumb.

But, if someone REALLY wanted to, they could have tons of speedlites to compete with what a strobe would do, and be able to put them in a backpack.

There's no modeling light on a speedlight. You may be able to survive without one for other types of work, but for product photography it's pretty much vital. Also, ganging a bunch of speedlights together when they are only a few feet away from the subject is definitely awkward to say the least.


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Jun 01, 2013 21:42 |  #77

I didn't know it was a penis thing.

:)

Are we now comparing who's lighting set up is bigger and brighter?

Then I win! :lol: :)

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There, I've said it, I have a MUCH bigger penis.


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Jun 01, 2013 21:44 |  #78

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Jun 01, 2013 21:44 |  #79

Scatterbrained wrote in post #15990425 (external link)
There's no modeling light on a speedlight. You may be able to survive without one for other types of work, but for product photography it's pretty much vital. Also, ganging a bunch of speedlights together when they are only a few feet away from the subject is definitely awkward to say the least.

The modeling light is a very valid point. It is MUCH easier having one :).

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cdifoto is my hero of the day

Same here lol. Awesome posts from him hahaha.


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Jun 01, 2013 21:45 |  #80

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #15990426 (external link)
Are we now comparing who's lighting set up is bigger and brighter?

Then I win! :lol:

1800 AMPS (with power to spare) powering 704 2.4 KW dimmers.

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Jun 01, 2013 21:46 |  #81

Mr Heater, wow, I wanna have that tattooed onto my Johnson.


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Jun 01, 2013 22:02 |  #82

Sorry they havent worked out for you (OP).


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Jun 01, 2013 23:06 |  #83

To be fair, if I use the modeling light on battery packs it will be dead in 30 mins.


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Jun 02, 2013 03:58 |  #85

Next you'll be telling me I shouldn't give large containers of booze to bums.

It seems like speedlights being appropriate depends on what you do.
I'll say for me, shooting in a club with speedlights (one on the camera, one in my hand-mostly) on ETTL lets me get way more shots (external link) than I would with any other setup I can think of. Drunk people don't understand being at the right distance, or where the sweet spot of a dish is, and no one's going to wait around more than 2 shots for you to dial your levels in. Can you carry your preferred lighting rig and still climb up on a speaker/platform? Do you think a strobe or monoblock will survive a drop better than a speedlight?
Maybe if there was a portable system with TTL, but for now speedlights have a strong benefit for me.
It's not product photography, and it's not canonical fashion photography, but for shooting partying people (and a lot of other run & gun shooting) I'll take speedlights (with modifiers) any day.




  
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Jun 02, 2013 06:16 |  #86

LostArk wrote in post #15986732 (external link)
- the quality of light is about the same as a $5 flash light
- not enough power to be useful
- horrid recycle times
- overheating issues
- questionable "portability"
- questionable cost / benefit ratio

Guessing this dude was trolling or just inexperienced. Either way, this thread blew up in a hurry. The only points I'd agree with are the bad recycle times and cost/benefit. The 580 or 600ex has plenty of power for bounce and umbrellas. So long as you don't use bare bulb or tungsten/AWB, the quality of light is much better than a flashlight. Overheating? What? And the portability is second to none, although they can get a bit heavy when mounted to compact cameras.


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Jun 02, 2013 07:33 as a reply to  @ jt354's post |  #87

It appears that math and reading comprehension skills may have been compromised on a Saturday night?

I have a bank light that accommodates 14,000 watt seconds with studio strobes. THe claim was made that speedlights can do 'the same thing' as studio strobes. 14,000 ÷ 100=140.

It's really not that complicated.

Some of you might like to think about penises, but it really has nothing to do with them.


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Jun 02, 2013 08:20 |  #88

Foodguy wrote in post #15991272 (external link)
It appears that math and reading comprehension skills may have been compromised on a Saturday night?

I have a bank light that accommodates 14,000 watt seconds with studio strobes. THe claim was made that speedlights can do 'the same thing' as studio strobes. 14,000 ÷ 100=140.

It's really not that complicated.

Some of you might like to think about penises, but it really has nothing to do with them.

Wow, 14,000 watt seconds is a lot of light. This must be left over from the days when you shot 8x10. In those days I had a mere 7,200 watt seconds and there were times when that wasn't enough. I got rid of two of those packs and even 2400 is usually too much.

The main reason I wouldn't use speed lights is because of a lack of modeling lights and the construction of the light that doesn't allow for easily switching modifiers. On most food shoots I use a 500 watt second pack so power wouldn't be my biggest concern. I do have a few 1000 watt second packs in reserve plus my big boy Balcar A2400.

Oh, and I have a penis too but it doesn't factor in to any of the shooting I do. :lol:


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Jun 02, 2013 09:31 |  #89

jt354 wrote in post #15991181 (external link)
Guessing this dude was trolling or just inexperienced. Either way, this thread blew up in a hurry. The only points I'd agree with are the bad recycle times and cost/benefit. The 580 or 600ex has plenty of power for bounce and umbrellas. So long as you don't use bare bulb or tungsten/AWB, the quality of light is much better than a flashlight. Overheating? What? And the portability is second to none, although they can get a bit heavy when mounted to compact cameras.

I think you inexperienced using speedlite, when you said 580 or 600EX has plenty of power,
and (plenty of power) for bounce (and umbrellas) ??? that's a joke, right ?


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Jun 02, 2013 09:34 |  #90

As far as portability, when you have all the extra stands/modifiers/etc. it is going to be cumbersome.. However, when you want to go portable you get the speedlites out of the umbrellas/softboxes and you are set. You don't have that option with studio lights.

Kind of the same thing in the car world: Turbo 4 cylinder v. V8s. Both make good power and are fun to drive, just get it done in different ways. Speedlites and studio lights both make light so who cares!


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