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SuperZac
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Jun 02, 2013 16:59 |  #1

Hi all, I've posted here before about lenses. I'm just a high school student but I love photography. I blew $60 on an 80-200mm zoom lens only to find out how hard it is to take normal pictures with it.

I don't have much money, but I'm thinking of buying this lens:
http://www.amazon.com …tails?ie=UTF8&m​e=&seller= (external link)

I just need something more versatile than the telephoto lens that I stupidly bought. I can't work with a lens that forces me to stand all the way across my house to get a portrait on the other side of the hallway. It also ruined a lot of potentially good up-close shots I got.

Any objections to me buying this lens? I know it isn't the best quality lens out there, but its what I need and I can afford.

Any advice is very appreciated, thank you! :)


**Also note: I have a 10D so I can only use EF lenses. Unless you can convince me that modding an EF-S is a good idea...




  
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Jun 02, 2013 17:28 |  #2

If you're wanting to take portraits...how about a 50 1.8? It's cheap, sharp, fast and EF.


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Jun 02, 2013 17:30 |  #3

When I bought my 10d, the first and only lens I had (for about a year) was the 200mm f2.8 prime...and I loved it. Headshots at 15ft. away? So what? That's why God gave humans a pair of legs and feet for. You can look at it two ways. One way is be negative and think you can't do too much with an 80-200mm zoom. Or the second way in that it teaches you about perspectives, the power of cropping and eliminating unwanted clutter in a picture frame, and understanding physical limits (and finding solutions to either break through those limits or bend the limits). With today's software technology, doing things like bokeh panaroma (ie. Brenizer method) can compensate (within reason) what a telephoto lens can't do. These are some of the reasons why you are given only a 50mm prime to work with in high school photography class (or at least when I was in high school).




  
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Jun 02, 2013 17:44 |  #4

Why are you standing so far away? get closer! Shoot the 80-200 at minimum focus distance.


I use a Pentax 28mm 2.8 and a M42 135mm 2.8 on my 10D 90% of the time. Got both for $30 on ebay, adapters were another $10. Links below to primes I use on the camera


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I have that 35-80mm, it's decent but get it on ebay for like $5-10. Here's a set with that lens on my 10D:

http://www.flickr.com …a/sets/72157630​606127924/ (external link)


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Jun 02, 2013 18:05 |  #5

protege wrote in post #15992661 (external link)
When I bought my 10d, the first and only lens I had (for about a year) was the 200mm f2.8 prime...and I loved it. Headshots at 15ft. away? So what? That's why God gave humans a pair of legs and feet for. You can look at it two ways. One way is be negative and think you can't do too much with an 80-200mm zoom. Or the second way in that it teaches you about perspectives, the power of cropping and eliminating unwanted clutter in a picture frame, and understanding physical limits (and finding solutions to either break through those limits or bend the limits). With today's software technology, doing things like bokeh panaroma (ie. Brenizer method) can compensate (within reason) what a telephoto lens can't do. These are some of the reasons why you are given only a 50mm prime to work with in high school photography class (or at least when I was in high school).

You bring up some excellent points and I agree. At school, we have T3is with their kit lenses. I could just have my parents pay the exorbitant sum of money for the right to rent one, but I like working for my own gear, you know? I don't want to have (as) inferior quality.

I get exactly what you are saying though. I learned a lot of techniques for compensating for telephoto zoom without a stabilizer. Breath in deeply, tighten muscles in core, and snap :)
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Jun 02, 2013 18:09 |  #6

maverick75 wrote in post #15992695 (external link)
Why are you standing so far away? get closer! Shoot the 80-200 at minimum focus distance.


I use a Pentax 28mm 2.8 and a M42 135mm 2.8 on my 10D 90% of the time. Got both for $30 on ebay, adapters were another $10. Links below to primes I use on the camera


http://www.flickr.com …a/sets/72157633​115438383/ (external link)

http://www.flickr.com …a/sets/72157633​383829884/ (external link)

http://www.flickr.com …a/sets/72157630​767519634/ (external link)


I have that 35-80mm, it's decent but get it on ebay for like $5-10. Here's a set with that lens on my 10D:

http://www.flickr.com …a/sets/72157630​606127924/ (external link)

Couldn't find it for that cheap, but I also didn't know about cross-brand adapters. Thanks!
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Jun 02, 2013 18:24 |  #7

Post a wanted ad on this forum, heck I'm sure someone will give it away to you for free.


And yes you can adapt Pentax K, M42 and Nikon lenses for cheap, we have a thread on here on using MF lenses:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=644277


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Jun 02, 2013 18:58 |  #8

maverick75 wrote in post #15992840 (external link)
Post a wanted ad on this forum, heck I'm sure someone will give it away to you for free.


And yes you can adapt Pentax K, M42 and Nikon lenses for cheap, we have a thread on here on using MF lenses:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=644277

Wow, what a great thread.

I found an MF lens, what do you think? Its pretty affordable.
http://www.ebay.com …enses&hash=item​3f25c8c903 (external link)




  
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Jun 02, 2013 19:02 |  #9

That's for Canon FD, STAY AWAY FROM FD LENSES. Cant stress this enough.
Canon FD lenses are extremely difficult and expensive to adapt to CANON EOS.


Also generally MF zooms are pretty bad, stick with primes.

A good 24-35mm, a 50mm will serve you well.


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Jun 02, 2013 19:09 |  #10

maverick75 wrote in post #15992942 (external link)
That's for Canon FD, STAY AWAY FROM FD LENSES. Cant stress this enough.
Canon FD lenses are extremely difficult and expensive to adapt to CANON EOS.


Also generally MF zooms are pretty bad, stick with primes.

A good 24-35mm, a 50mm will serve you well.

How can you tell when it is for FD or EF?
Also I can't find those lenses.




  
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Jun 02, 2013 19:10 |  #11

I'd advice you to buy this one:

http://www.ebay.com …meras&hash=item​27d36e023e (external link)

Just for the lens, that vivitar is a re-branded Cosina, they make some phenomenal lenses!

with this adapter:
http://www.ebay.com …Tubes&hash=item​3f18641060 (external link)

That adapter has a AF confirm chip, which will help you focus. Basically half press the shutter turn the dial and it will beep when you're in focus. Mine works perfectly!


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Jun 02, 2013 19:15 |  #12

SuperZac wrote in post #15992969 (external link)
How can you tell when it is for FD or EF?
Also I can't find those lenses.

EF lenses will always say EF on them and will have a AF/M switch, FD lenses are 85 and older, and will most of the time say "FD" "FL" or "C/FD" (at least on third party lenses.)

You can also looks at the mount, they're easy to tell apart:

http://rick_oleson.tri​pod.com/index-99.html (external link)


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Jun 03, 2013 07:32 |  #13

Not sure of your price range, but a used option would be a Canon EF 28-80 f/3.5 - 5.6, which you should be able to get for under $40.


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Jun 03, 2013 07:37 |  #14

SuperZac wrote in post #15992780 (external link)
You bring up some excellent points and I agree. At school, we have T3is with their kit lenses. I could just have my parents pay the exorbitant sum of money for the right to rent one, but I like working for my own gear, you know? I don't want to have (as) inferior quality.

I get exactly what you are saying though. I learned a lot of techniques for compensating for telephoto zoom without a stabilizer. Breath in deeply, tighten muscles in core, and snap :)
Thanks for the advice

Emphasis mine.

This is the exact opposite of all that is good and holy about holding ANYTHING steady. Any good shooter (camera or long gun) knows that proper technique is: breathe out slightly, stop breathing, squeeeeeeeeze the trigger, OOPS!, I mean shutter.

You have to tighten muscles to inhale. Tightening produces tension. Tightening your core will only produce more tension. Tension produces tremors/shaking, which is exactly what you are trying to avoid.




  
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Jun 03, 2013 12:18 |  #15

Scott M wrote in post #15994344 (external link)
Not sure of your price range, but a used option would be a Canon EF 28-80 f/3.5 - 5.6, which you should be able to get for under $40.

This was going to be my recommendation, it's a totally serviceable, very affordable former kit lens.



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