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For the same price should I go for a 1DS MKIII or a 6D?

 
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Jun 03, 2013 16:04 |  #1

Hello,
How are you?
So, the title pretty much says it all...
I found a very good condition 1DS MKIII with around 35000 shutter actuations with no dents, marks or scratches for the same price of a new 6D.
So, which is the best option?
I know the 6D has a super sensitive centre AF sensor, but the 1DS has more points and more cross-type points. It also has the built in vertical controls (I am not a fan of batter grips as add-ons). I know the 1DS is bigger and heavier but it also has better build quality.
The 1DS also has a better viewfinder but the 6D is newer tech...
My question is in regard to IQ. Is the 6D very much ahead?
My only canon lens at the moment is a 24-105 F4L I got for a steal. But when I sell some Nikon gear I would add some more lenses, like a 70-200 II, a 16-35 II, a sigma 50 and maybe an 85L.
So, if it were you, which body would you choose and why?

Thank you for your help.
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Jun 03, 2013 19:42 |  #2

That's a toughie. The 1Ds is going to be 6 years old in a few months---that's about 120 years old in human years. The processor is 3 generations old, so the noise is going to be much higher and the dynamic range will be much less. The LCD will be pretty bad, and the ISO only goes to 3200, and that's enhanced! On the plus side, it's built like a tank (300,000 + acctuations) and delivers a great frame given good light. If it were me I wouldn't, but I can certainly understand the attraction.


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Jun 03, 2013 20:59 |  #3

Sounds like a good price on the 1D so maybe pick it up and try it and probably sell it for what you paid
if you don't like it. New 6D's will be around for along time.What you shoot is key in your decision!


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Jun 03, 2013 22:51 |  #4

irishman wrote in post #15996587 (external link)
That's a toughie. The 1Ds is going to be 6 years old in a few months---that's about 120 years old in human years. The processor is 3 generations old, so the noise is going to be much higher and the dynamic range will be much less. The LCD will be pretty bad, and the ISO only goes to 3200, and that's enhanced! On the plus side, it's built like a tank (300,000 + acctuations) and delivers a great frame given good light. If it were me I wouldn't, but I can certainly understand the attraction.

Actually, the dynamic range is nearly identical. The 6D gets 12.1 EV, while the 1Ds3 gets 12 (source: DxOMark).

If the measurements are anything to go by, it looks like the 6D is going to be about a stop and a half better in terms of high ISO performance.


If you don't need high ISO performance but otherwise want the best general-purpose camera between the two, the 1Ds3 wins. If you need high ISO performance, the 6D wins.

It really is a question of whether or not you need the kind of high ISO performance the 6D brings to the table.


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Jun 03, 2013 23:34 |  #5

Good site for raw number comparisons.
http://snapsort.com …vs-Canon_EOS-1Ds_Mark_III (external link)


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Jun 04, 2013 01:55 as a reply to  @ T3 Heavy Shop's post |  #6

Depends what you are planning to do with it. If you will be outdoors in harsh ( dusty, humid, wet) conditions or if you are scrambling over rough terrain the 1D wins every time it's touch as old boots and can survive in conditions that would probably defeat or damage the 6D. If however you are going to cosset your camera then 6D. The iD is also a heavy beast with a completely different user interface which some people dont like.
I'd take the 1D but then I spend a lot of time in the wild in India.


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Jun 04, 2013 02:09 as a reply to  @ ChrisSearle's post |  #7

I went from the 1ds mark III to the 5d3. no regrets whatsoever. it get's a little tougher with the 6d because of AF. I think kcbrown's post is spot on: it comes down to AF vs ISO, and the 1ds is dismal at hi ISOs.


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Jun 04, 2013 03:32 |  #8

ed rader wrote in post #15997589 (external link)
I went from the 1ds mark III to the 5d3. no regrets whatsoever. it get's a little tougher with the 6d because of AF. I think kcbrown's post is spot on: it comes down to AF vs ISO, and the 1ds is dismal at hi ISOs.


"Dismal"? I'm skeptical.

The 6D is probably 1.5 stops or more better than the 7D at high ISO, and yet the 7D does a quite respectable ISO 12800, as long as you're not afraid of some film-like grain.

If the 1Ds3 does as well as the 7D in terms of high ISO performance, I see no reason to think it won't work very nicely indeed as a general purpose camera. No, I expect that it's only if you need really good high ISO performance, or want full frame in a relatively light and compact form, that the 6D wins. If the 7D's high ISO performance is good enough, I expect the 1Ds3's certainly should be.

Here's a thread on getting awesome high ISO performance from the 7D. Those techniques are probably applicable to the 1Ds3.


The 7D is no slouch at ISO 12800, and I'd expect the 1Ds3 to be able to achieve the same (except through postprocessing, i.e. by pushing an ISO 3200 shot by 2 stops):

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Jun 04, 2013 03:42 |  #9

Maybe I am ill informed here, but does the 1ds mark III not have the same sensor as the 5d2, which is a great high ISO camera. I do know the 5d2 allows higher ISO selection, but unless the 1ds 3 doesn't perform as well as the 5d2 it still makes a great choice.

Either way I would go for the 1ds mark 3. It will likely be more reliable for longer due the build etc. They are built to last by pros. The 6d (as great as it is) is not as rugged, though it does have a weight advantage


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Jun 04, 2013 04:23 |  #10

jaomul wrote in post #15997698 (external link)
Maybe I am ill informed here, but does the 1ds mark III not have the same sensor as the 5d2, which is a great high ISO camera. I do know the 5d2 allows higher ISO selection, but unless the 1ds 3 doesn't perform as well as the 5d2 it still makes a great choice.

Either way I would go for the 1ds mark 3. It will likely be more reliable for longer due the build etc. They are built to last by pros. The 6d (as great as it is) is not as rugged, though it does have a weight advantage

I thought the same too, plus the 1DS3 has better AF points than either the 5D2 and 6D. Remember this was the Flagship 1D before the 1DX.

Personally, I'd go the 1DS3. You can always sell it.


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Jun 04, 2013 08:47 |  #11

gdourado07 wrote in post #15995989 (external link)
So, if it were you, which body would you choose and why?

6D - newer, smaller, better features and performance (in some areas)




  
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Jun 04, 2013 15:23 |  #12

watt100 wrote in post #15998239 (external link)
6D - newer, smaller, better features and performance (in some areas)

Newer, yes.

Smaller, yes.

Performance? For high ISO, yes. For everything else, no.

Better features? Um, no. Not unless you're talking about video. The 1Ds3 has tons of features that the 6D doesn't have, such as spot metering under the active focus point, up to 7-shot exposure bracketing, 45 autofocus points (19 cross-type), 100% viewfinder, 1/250th sec flash sync, dual card slots, and probably quite a lot more that I don't know about just because I'm not terribly familiar with the 1D series cameras.


You have to remember that the 1Ds3 is a 1D series camera -- Canon put everything they had into it. It was, at the time, their very top of the line camera. The camera will reflect that. For still shots, in terms of features, it wipes the floor with non-1D cameras. It is way more camera than just about everything else out there. Unfortunately, it's "way more camera" in terms of bulk as well...


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Jun 04, 2013 15:26 |  #13

kcbrown wrote in post #15999503 (external link)
Newer, yes.

Smaller, yes.

Performance? For high ISO, yes. For everything else, no.

Better features? Um, no. Not unless you're talking about video. The 1Ds3 has tons of features that the 6D doesn't have, such as spot metering under the active focus point, up to 7-shot exposure bracketing, 45 autofocus points (19 cross-type), 100% viewfinder, 1/250th sec flash sync, dual card slots, and probably quite a lot more that I don't know about just because I'm not terribly familiar with the 1D series cameras.


You have to remember that the 1Ds3 is a 1D series camera -- Canon put everything they had into it. It was, at the time, their very top of the line camera. The camera will reflect that. For still shots, in terms of features, it wipes the floor with non-1D cameras. It is way more camera than just about everything else out there. Unfortunately, it's "way more camera" in terms of bulk as well...

6D has 7 shot AEB.




  
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Jun 04, 2013 15:59 |  #14

El Pedro wrote in post #15999517 (external link)
6D has 7 shot AEB.

Nice! That's a bit unexpected. I figured Canon was reserving that feature for the 1D series cameras. Okay, scratch that off the list of 1Ds3 advantages. The others remain (as far as I know)...


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Jun 04, 2013 16:54 |  #15

Get a refurbed 5DIII from Canon. Trade in an old Canon body and get 15% extra off the refurb price.




  
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