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Jun 07, 2013 00:43 |  #16

I accidentally used the 200L at f/2.2 once, I had accidentally knocked the aperture dial

Otherwise, it's always at f/2


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Jun 07, 2013 01:11 |  #17

I would maybe suggest the 200 F1.8 going for high $3K on ebay right now over the $6K F2. Just a thought unless you really need the IS how often will you be below 200 shutter with that fast of a lens?

I will stick with my bigger F numbers and strobes. I want as much information as possible!


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Jun 07, 2013 01:18 as a reply to  @ downhillnews's post |  #18

Biggest problem with the 200 1.8 and buying from EBay is that it can be a crap shoot. There are quite a few 200 1.8s on there right now. One has a TON of touch up paint and is listed as "excellent cosmetic condition". Who knows how well they function? And if something is broken, it's no longer covered or serviceable by Canon.


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Jun 07, 2013 01:22 |  #19

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I would maybe suggest the 200 F1.8 going for high $3K on ebay right now over the $6K F2. Just a thought unless you really need the IS how often will you be below 200 shutter with that fast of a lens?

Unfortunately the 200L becomes unusable after sunset :(

IS is not only needed, but not enough after sunset


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Jun 07, 2013 01:22 |  #20

drchrisdvm2009 wrote in post #16007878 (external link)
Biggest problem with the 200 1.8 and buying from EBay is that it can be a crap shoot. There are quite a few 200 1.8s on there right now. One has a TON of touch up paint and is listed as "excellent cosmetic condition". Who knows how well they function? And if something is broken, it's no longer covered or serviceable by Canon.

http://www.ebay.com …enses&hash=item​19dd59d70c (external link)

Thats the one I want and cannot afford!!!


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Jun 07, 2013 01:24 |  #21

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Unfortunately the 200L becomes unusable after sunset :(

IS is not only needed, but not enough after sunset


True I was shooting a band 4 months ago at F1.2-F2 at 6400 ISO and like 160th shutter. So I can see a long lens outside at night moving too much.


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Jun 07, 2013 01:27 |  #22

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http://www.ebay.com …enses&hash=item​19dd59d70c (external link)

Thats the one I want and cannot afford!!!

Ok, now that one is beautiful. It's like it's never been used! And it's in the USA, so no overseas shipping from some of the ones in HK. I would trust that one. :-)

The only thing with the listing that is off is the starting serial numbers. I have to assume they started at 10,000, as I have 10167....not 11,000 like most people state)


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drchrisdvm2009 wrote in post #16007804 (external link)
I am also an amateur, so this comes from the same perspective that you are at.

I have the 70-200 2.8 IS II and a 200 1.8. I use them for very different things. The 200 1.8 is excellent for indoor sports, plays/musicals where they don't allow flashes, and for the dreamy ultra narrow depth of field with tack sharp in focus detail (akin to the 85 1.2 II). I use my 70-200 when my subjects are going to be changing distances rapidly (all the typical benefits of a zoom).

They are both sharp wide open, handholdable (I bet the 200 F2 IS is even better at than the 1.8), magnificent lenses. Can't go wrong either way, but it has to suit what you are shooting for.

Because I love the razor thin DOF, I tend to take the 35 1.4, 85 1.2 II, and my 200 1.8 when going out for portraits with my kids. When I review my EXIFs on the primes, most are wide open to 1 stop slower. If they are doing something active, like soccer, or running around the playground, I'll use the 70-200. I took the 200 1.8 to the playground about 2 months ago and had 3 or 4 people come up to me and say that they didn't feel comfortable with me having a lens like that around their kids. Since I could care less what other people think of me, I just kept doing my thing...public park and all. Just a side note on big lenses in public.

Whichever you choose, you'll have great equipment.

(There's a 200 1.8 in the for sale section right now...in case you are interested... and it's custom painted black, so not as obtrusive as the giant white).

I'm a little worried about the appearance of the lens and the hood as well. I do spend a lot of time in the parks with my family, but like you said, at the end of the day, I would feel a little comfortable, but I'd never stop taking my pictures:)

So you do have the 70-200 II but still use the 200L. I'm guessing the difference in IQ/bokeh is noticeable then?




  
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Jun 07, 2013 09:09 |  #24

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Nice Lexus, Is this your car smorter?


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Jun 07, 2013 09:54 |  #25

I'm an amateur with the same glass as you. Have both lenses and the only time I use the 70-200 is when I need to do an event. Everything else, 200 F2.




  
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Jun 07, 2013 10:42 |  #26

In my opinion, the 200 1.8 far outshines the 70-200 2.8 IS II, both wide open in terms of bokeh, and of course, subject isolation. If you stop the 200L down a little, by golly, it'll knock your socks off. I have packed away my hard drives (moving in a couple weeks), otherwise I'd post some samples. The 200 prime has been called Canon's sharpest lens ever for a reason. I forget where it was, but there's a website that has actual people review the lens and the 200 1.8 gets 10s across the board from absolutely every person. Playing devil's advocate, the 70-200 2.8 IS II is really nice too! And more versatile. (That's why I kept both).

I would love to compare the 200 1.8 to the 200 2.0 side by side, but at the moment, I don't have that kind of spare change. I have to start paying back student loans soon too!


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Is it possible to not to use the hood? Probably not a good idea with that aperture and the amount of flaring, but I still thought I'd ask:)

Also, as my camera is 5d mark iii, I believe the recall would impact me. Did canon start selling the fixed version of this lens or do all lenses still have to be sent in for repair? Does canon pay for shipping with insurance both ways which can be very significant?

Lastly, how awkward will I look in a playground or in a kids birthday party with this?




  
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Is it possible to not to use the hood? Probably not a good idea with that aperture and the amount of flaring, but I still thought I'd ask:)

Also, as my camera is 5d mark iii, I believe the recall would impact me. Did canon start selling the fixed version of this lens or do all lenses still have to be sent in for repair? Does canon pay for shipping with insurance both ways which can be very significant?

Lastly, how awkward will I look in a playground or in a kids birthday party with this?

When I go out, I rarely use the hood, just because it makes it THAT much more...how to day...obtrusive. Yes, there is a fair amount of flare, but the lens handles it nicely. I just position myself in places where I'm not going to have to worry about that.

Regarding being at a playground or birthday party, the first question I would ask is, do you care what other people think? Me, I could care less. It does draw attention, especially being big and white. I get a lot of people asking if I am a professional photographer, to which I respond "No, I just take pictures of my kids." That always gets a bright eyed look of amazement.

The 5D3 and 200L 2.0 combination I cannot comment on as I have the 1.8. I'll leave that to someone else. :-)


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Jun 07, 2013 11:44 |  #29

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Nice Lexus, Is this your car smorter?

Parents car :P


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Thanks for the responses, looks like its an amazing lens and I will most likely get it. I just need to bring myself to spend 6k on it:)

Also, I saw that there is a custom lens cap made for it which is 60 bucks. I forgot what it was called. Is that worth it? I cannot believe canon did not make a lens cap for a 6k lens.




  
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