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Upgraded your 7d to a 6d? Please help :)

 
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Jun 07, 2013 23:26 |  #16

Before the arrival of the 5D3 and the 6D, I had a 7D and a 5D2. I found myself using the 5D2 almost exclusively so I sold the 7D. I've never regretted that move.


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Jun 07, 2013 23:30 |  #17

ions wrote in post #16010635 (external link)
7D to 6D is a downgrade.

^ Some areas the 7D is better, some areas the 6D is better.
They are two different tools for many different types/styles of photography. IMHO: Apples & Oranges

I'd say a better comparison would be:

6D compared to 5D MK II
7D vs 1D Mark III

I too had a 7D, but "I" didn't use the AF like I thought I would or like it was intended.
5Dc, 5D MKII, & 6D AF layout suites me fine, "presently". Nothing wrong with a decades/century of center focus and recomposing. Personally I went the plain jane AF route of the 6D, why? again presently I dont need the 5D MK3 AF system, no sense in forking over $1-1.5K more for a feature I wont use frequently. Tech is always changing so when I need it I'll buy it till then I'll use what I need. Money better spent imho. BUT, If I find myself needing more, I'll upgrade to the 5D Mark III, but till then I'll stick with "what I know & need" :)




  
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Jun 07, 2013 23:58 as a reply to  @ 1xSHOT's post |  #18

Looking at your photography and considering your current glass, I believe your thinking is correct...moving to FF. The 6D is a great choice. You might also consider the 5D2 if you want to save a few bucks in trade for some ISO limits and cool gadgetry.




  
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Jun 08, 2013 00:42 |  #19

ions wrote in post #16010635 (external link)
7D to 6D is a downgrade.

You revived a 2 month dead thread to jab at the 6D? :rolleyes:


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Jun 08, 2013 02:49 |  #20

ions wrote in post #16010635 (external link)
7D to 6D is a downgrade.

Not if you take a look at the actual photos... The 7D is a sports camera, the 6D is much better for most everything else.


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Jun 08, 2013 03:02 |  #21

Well, the OP went for a 6D (see his sig), so that pretty much answers that. :)

Whether the 6D will suit your needs or not will depend in part on how you use the camera. If you use the 7D's outer focus points a lot (I use them almost exclusively -- it's very rare that I use the center point for anything), the 6D probably won't be a good fit, though I suppose one could get used to it. The 5D3 would be a much better upgrade target for someone who uses the outer focus points a lot.


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Jun 08, 2013 08:19 |  #22

Mornnb wrote in post #15864802 (external link)
Get a 6D. The 5Dc is really no better than a 7D in ISO performance, neither can the sharpness advantage of full frame be fully utilised with its 12.8MP sensor.

I beg to differ. DxoMark's rating of these two cameras has the 5D clearly better in every category except dynamic range at low ISO. The 5D's high ISO ability is about 60% better than the 7D. Keep in mind the 7D is also an old camera as it is nearly 4 years old.




  
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Jun 08, 2013 14:53 |  #23

HappySnapper90 wrote in post #16011252 (external link)
I beg to differ. DxoMark's rating of these two cameras has the 5D clearly better in every category except dynamic range at low ISO. The 5D's high ISO ability is about 60% better than the 7D. Keep in mind the 7D is also an old camera as it is nearly 4 years old.

The in-print signal to noise ratio of the 5D is 1.1 dB higher than the 7D at ISO 3200, which translates to a difference of just over a third of a stop. That's so close as to be undetectable to the naked eye.

And all the direct comparisons that people here on the forums, such as TeamSpeed, have done, show that there is no discernable difference between them at equivalent resolutions.

If you look at the signal to noise ratio lines of the 7D versus the 5D, you'll see that they're converging. This means that the 7D is degrading more slowly than the 5D as the ISO goes up, though the 7D's curve starts to degrade faster once past ISO 6400.


The bottom line is that for practical purposes, these two cameras perform the same at high ISOs.


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Jun 08, 2013 17:18 |  #24

In my case it made no difference between the 6D and the 5DII, so I bought the latter from canon (refurbished) for under $1,500. So all depends on what the OP wants to take photos of. To me the 7D and the lenses I have allows me to bring-in wildlife subjects that may be a little out of reach, or subjects that are moving fast. It also helps me a lot with the greater number of focus points, since I often have to switch from one to the next throughout the frame. But if I were to be taking photos where very high ISO speeds were needed, then I would have chosen the 6D over then 5DII.

If I were living in the city where there are ample opportunities for night photography of various subjects, the 6D is just about perfect.


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Jun 08, 2013 17:30 as a reply to  @ Perfect_10's post |  #25

Thanks guys. As some of you noticed I went for the 6D, and boy was that a good choise!
Very happy with the preformance and it fits my needs alot better than the 7 did.


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Jun 08, 2013 17:39 |  #26

ions wrote in post #16010635 (external link)
7D to 6D is a downgrade.

That depends entirely on your point of view.


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Jun 08, 2013 17:49 |  #27

A simple alternative would be to get a 10-22mm and a 30/1.4 to use on your 7D.

Whether or not going from 7D to 6D is a downgrade or an upgrade isn't so much a "point of view"... It entirely depends upon what you need the camera to do for you.

Looking at your Flickr, 6D would be a nice upgrade for a lot of what you shoot.

You do shoot some things where I think you'll miss having the 7D.... especially the cycling and various types of auto racing.

I shoot a ton of action, sports, wildlife... using telephotos quite a bit... and this is where a crop camera has the edge. So for me it would be a downgrade for any FF to be my only camera. I still want a crop camera for much of what I shoot and I'll stick with my pair of 7Ds. Plus I have a 5D2 for other stuff, tho I take about 1/10 as many shots with it. Among other things the 5D2 is my low light camera - good for about one stop higher ISO than the 7Ds (though they continue to suprise me, I've recently started using LR4, PS CS6 and Noiseware, and between the three softwares am finding higher ISOs from 7D more usable than ever before). I am planning to upgrade to a 5D3 soon, but not in any big rush, and still will be shooting a lot more with the croppers even after I do.


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Jun 08, 2013 17:58 |  #28

ions wrote in post #16010635 (external link)
7D to 6D is a downgrade.

NO WAY. I have both. When I'm out and about I carry the 6D 99% of the time.


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Jun 08, 2013 19:01 |  #29

kcbrown wrote in post #16011987 (external link)
The in-print signal to noise ratio of the 5D is 1.1 dB higher than the 7D at ISO 3200, which translates to a difference of just over a third of a stop. That's so close as to be undetectable to the naked eye.

And all the direct comparisons that people here on the forums, such as TeamSpeed, have done, show that there is no discernable difference between them at equivalent resolutions.

If you look at the signal to noise ratio lines of the 7D versus the 5D, you'll see that they're converging. This means that the 7D is degrading more slowly than the 5D as the ISO goes up, though the 7D's curve starts to degrade faster once past ISO 6400.


The bottom line is that for practical purposes, these two cameras perform the same at high ISOs.

Uhhhh. His is a direct comparison of 6d vs 7d at ISo 3200. There is more than a 1/3 stop difference.

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Jun 08, 2013 19:07 |  #30

Mornnb wrote in post #16010914 (external link)
Not if you take a look at the actual photos... The 7D is a sports camera, the 6D is much better for most everything else.

This x 100000000

I still have my 7D, but the only thing I want to use it for is wildlife. Everything else, my 6D is my go-to body... Even more so once I buy a macro lens For FF.


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