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70-200 F2.8, is it really that soft when wide open on a crop body?

 
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Jun 07, 2013 07:01 |  #16

This is a 100% crop from my mk1 on my 7D - doesn't look soft to me!

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Jun 07, 2013 08:02 |  #17

Sure it's soft.

If you're in the habit of chewing granite.


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Jun 07, 2013 08:05 |  #18

jack880, the photo is private on Flickr, and they strip EXIF, so I can't tell if you mean 70-200 f/2.8L IS or non-IS, when you say "mk1." Confusing, as there is no mk2 for the non-IS.

Great sharpness at 100%.


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Jun 07, 2013 08:49 as a reply to  @ waterrockets's post |  #19

I actually rented a 70-200 2.8L IS mk I last weekend, shooting on my 650D. I did find that my results were a bit softer than I expected. Maybe I should have sprung the extra $10 and rented the mk II, but I'm cheap. To be sure, if you're not pixel-peeping or cropping aggressively, you probably won't notice it much. The NASCAR shots in this set (external link) were all taken with that lens, most of them wide open. Hard to separate lens softness with my mediocre panning, but I think some of it is noticeable when blown up a bit.


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Jun 07, 2013 08:52 |  #20

waterrockets wrote in post #16008333 (external link)
jack880, the photo is private on Flickr, and they strip EXIF, so I can't tell if you mean 70-200 f/2.8L IS or non-IS, when you say "mk1." Confusing, as there is no mk2 for the non-IS.

Great sharpness at 100%.

Sorry mate it's the 2.8 IS mk1...

You can see the photo though yeah, just not the EXIF?


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Jun 07, 2013 08:57 |  #21

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16000175 (external link)
You want sharp? Get a prime lens. Zoom lenses (even the 70-200 Mk2) will be softer than primes.

Generally a true statement; and especially true in price; but false. 24-70mkII and 70-200mkII being the two biggest exceptions (Generally speaking; both generally sharper than any primes in their respective focal ranges at equivalent apertures)


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Jun 07, 2013 09:16 |  #22

RTPVid wrote in post #16001767 (external link)
It would be even softer on an FF body, wouldn't it, since lenses are generally softer toward the edges?

The enlargement from a crop body can make a lens feel softer. It's based on perception and viewing size though, a lot like the depth of field difference.


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Jun 07, 2013 09:50 |  #23

jack880 wrote in post #16008462 (external link)
Sorry mate it's the 2.8 IS mk1...

You can see the photo though yeah, just not the EXIF?

Correct. Good example though, as many say the IS mk1 is comparable to the non-IS for IQ.


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Jun 07, 2013 10:10 |  #24

If you have an issue with softness then send the lens in to Canon for calibration, mine was soft when I bought it so I sent it in, they re-calibrated it and said that the calibration was out in the 70mm range. When it came back it was harp in all ranges as well as when it was wide open.


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Jun 07, 2013 13:40 |  #25

My Mk1 IS is as sharp as my 70-200 f/4 non-IS. Often sharper when I'm shooting moving targets thanks to the IS. I didn't feel that the Mk2 was worth the additional $1000 at the time.


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Jun 07, 2013 18:04 |  #26

Having owned all three of Canon's 70-200 f/2.8s and shooting them on 1.3 crop bodies, I would rate them for sharpness - MKII IS the best, (signifantly, especially with converters) non IS 2nd and MKI IS third. If you don't shoot a lot of sports you will be happier with the MK I IS than the non IS.


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Jun 09, 2013 10:33 |  #27

Thanks for everyone's input, I greatly appreciated getting insights from people who actually owns (or rented) the lens.

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Jun 10, 2013 00:53 |  #28

I loved my V1 for 6 years, but I had formed a habit of stopping down for sharper images.
I bought V2 and was going to keep V1 for my wife, for the odd times we both wanted to shoot our kids sports at the same time.
Having both at the same time, enabled me to compare sided by side, the V2 is noticeable sharper, although I felt V1 was as sharp from about f/4. In fact, FoCal gave sharper results to V1 at f8 or so, but I could not see it samples. If I am going to have a lens that can shoot at f/2.8, I want to be able to use it at that aperture with out reservations of it being soft. For me, wider aperture is used more for DOF than its low light ability.

I sold the V1, with the intent of getting the 70-200 f/4 for my wife, a lighter lens, and the same usable aperture range. But I ended up getting the 120-300 instead, so haven't found a need to have an additional 70-200

The V1 was a great lens and served me well, but to me, if you want f/2.8, then you need V2. If f/2.8 isn't important, you may as well just get the f/4 version (although I haven't owned it to compare).

The V2 has better IS, but to be honest, I don't notice it in my use.


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Jun 10, 2013 07:09 |  #29

I haven't tried the 70-200 208 II, but as for the Mark I, here's a shot taken on a 400D:

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Jun 10, 2013 12:15 |  #30

picked up a 18 year old 70-200 non IS last week, date code was UJ 1995. light scratches on the front element, but IQ looks ok to me
dont remember exact aperture, but i think it was 3.2 or 3.5


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