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Jun 13, 2013 04:48 |  #1

I'm interested in a beauty dish that I can use on the move with a speedlite.

I would be most interested to using a flash bracket to mount it, for event portraiture.

After some research I've gotten on to Mola, but it works out expensive with a speedlite bracket on top. Also the Mola equipment doesn't bring up UK results in my searches.

Are there any suggestions for what I should be looking at?

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Jun 13, 2013 05:25 |  #2

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Make one???


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Jun 13, 2013 05:32 |  #3

I've read something about the 'ribbed' sides of the mola are what makes it great?

But making one would be a start in understanding if I want/need more, so yes I'll consider doing that. thanks

found a good guide here
http://www.ishootshows​.com …graphers-diy-beauty-dish/ (external link)

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Jun 13, 2013 06:53 |  #4

Have you shot with one?
What look are you trying to get that you think a BD will give you that another modifier won't?
Primary reason for location work with BD aside from it's specific light character is they're not as effected by wind as other options.
They are kinda heavy and will require a bracket for the speedlight that adds to the cost.
I've got a Kacey 22" BD, I've used it with speedlights and monoheads.


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Jun 13, 2013 07:03 |  #5

windpig wrote in post #16026786 (external link)
Have you shot with one?
What look are you trying to get that you think a BD will give you that another modifier won't?
Primary reason for location work with BD aside from it's specific light character is they're not as effected by wind as other options.
They are kinda heavy and will require a bracket for the speedlight that adds to the cost.
I've got a Kacey 22" BD, I've used it with speedlights and monoheads.

I haven't shot with one no.

Although this requires more lights behind, I quite like the lighting achieved here
http://c14115981.r81.c​f2.rackcdn.com …/selfportrait_D​SC4230.jpg (external link)
I've seen other photos with BD which I've liked too.

I currently have been using a flash bracket with LQ quikbounce - and I'm just looking to improve the lighting. I've been consider softbox, multiple flashes on a bracket and this beauty dish idea. Since I'm mostly interested in upper body portraits.

The event I used my setup at was London Comic Con, and I want to try new things next time I go back.




  
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Jun 13, 2013 07:05 |  #6

http://www.ebay.co.uk …&var=&hash=item​4d0cb13b4c (external link) Big enough for you? Glasgow supplier.

http://www.ebay.co.uk …ories&hash=item​460e6e4436 (external link) Rather smaller. Croydon supplier.

http://www.ebay.co.uk …ories&hash=item​336d16531c (external link) In between size, in between location (Manchester)

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Jun 13, 2013 07:07 |  #7

Whortleberry wrote in post #16026810 (external link)
http://www.ebay.co.uk …&var=&hash=item​4d0cb13b4c (external link) Big enough for you? Glasgow supplier.

http://www.ebay.co.uk …ories&hash=item​460e6e4436 (external link) Rather smaller. Croydon supplier.

http://www.ebay.co.uk …ories&hash=item​336d16531c (external link) In between size, in between location (Manchester)

Something to be going on with.

Thanks I did also find a 45.5 one here
http://www.ebay.co.uk …&var=&hash=item​336ed7cc62 (external link)

Which will be the perfect size if I follow the DIY guide I posted before.

However I'm not sure how much patience I have for DIY, I'm interested with what Windpig might have to say and I'll look at the Kacey


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Jun 13, 2013 08:21 |  #8

If you're not shooting outdoors, I'd look at something like this:
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …Apollo_Orb_Spee​dlite.html (external link)

I don't have one, but may be looking at an apollo for speedlight or barebulb work because of the light being bounced off the back of the box.
The diffuser is adjustable relative to depth (for directional control), plus, there is a grid available.

I'm not saying it's the only option, but certainly, if available in your area, a nice one.


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Jun 13, 2013 08:25 |  #9

Actually I was thinking about adding the beauty dish to a bracket 'like' this http://www.laymansrevi​ews.com …/lr_104-flash-bracket.jpg (external link)

If my plan is comic con events, busy crowded areas - I think I could manage 22inch, but 43 would be a monster to carry around :)

The idea that a beauty dish and grid direct light, would be particular useful to not have light spill onto the crowds of people in the background. Will help isolate subject.

Oh, besides the event is both indoors and outdoors.




  
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Jun 13, 2013 08:59 as a reply to  @ dancook's post |  #10

I bought the Westcott Apollo and returned it.

Very cheaply made and flimsy.

A Beauty Dish on a heavy boom stand and a sandbag would be a lot better
for windy days.

I'm using a Cameron 20 inch beauty dish I bought at Henry's in Canada with my Canon 600 EX RT and it works quite well, very solid.

Not ideal for every lighting situation though.

I would like to try out the Kasey BD tons of buzz about it.

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Jun 13, 2013 09:05 |  #11

If I did get the Kasey would it be worth getting the twin bracket instead? I was planning on getting another 600XT-RT anyway and speedlite transmitter

this is all going to be hand held for now :) i'll just consider it a good workout ..




  
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Jun 13, 2013 09:25 |  #12

dancook wrote in post #16027077 (external link)
If I did get the Kasey would it be worth getting the twin bracket instead? I was planning on getting another 600XT-RT anyway and speedlite transmitter

this is all going to be hand held for now :) i'll just consider it a good workout ..

I assume by the "hand held" that you mean that your assistant is going to be hand holding the Kasey while you capture images. If it means that you are going to be holding the Kasey while capturing images you are a stronger person than I am. If my Kasey would not be on a light stand I don't think I could use it - without help from an assistant.

There are mixed views on the double vs single bracket. I do not have that bracket since I have an Einstein, but I have read that the double will give you one additional f/stop. Personally, I would probably buy the double for the simple fact that you can use it with one flash, but the single head will not allow you to use two flashes. But then again, I don't have the speedlight model to know. Maybe someone who has used both will reply.


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Jun 13, 2013 09:28 |  #13

Hawks Feather wrote in post #16027144 (external link)
=Hawk's Feather;16027144]I assume by the "hand held" that you mean that your assistant is going to be hand holding the Kasey while you capture images. If it means that you are going to be holding the Kasey while capturing images you are a stronger person than I am. If my Kasey would not be on a light stand I don't think I could use it - without help from an assistant.

It would be attached to a bracket for stability, I have no assistant :)

This is my current setup, which I carried around all day.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net …025455227_62446​4749_n.jpg (external link)

I think I could take on more weight :)




  
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Jun 13, 2013 10:27 |  #14

I have used the kacey dish with and without the double speedlite bracket. If you plan on shooting outdoors, you're going to want the extra stop of power. Trust me! I own the Mola Demi which is identical in shape/design. The major difference is that the Kacey dish is made from a rugged plastic which is lighter and actually more durable. After using the Kacey, I was ready to buy one. The only reason I went with the Mola is because I found one on Craigslist being sold with the opal diffuser, grid, sock, sand bags and even a drop down pin for under $400. I love my mola, but after using both, the differences are negligible. I recommend saving yourself some money and picking up a Kacey dish. Jerry Kacey is a great guy (and fellow POTN member) out of Seattle. I feel bad for not ordering from him after all his prompt replies to my inquiries. He even called me in Canada to discuss options!


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Jun 13, 2013 10:36 |  #15

I'm in contact with Jerry over email, so I've asked him to quote me some stuff.

I'm assuming the dish with twin bracket is all I need to adapt it to either a flash bracket or flash stand.




  
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