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Xsi just died - ideas - 60d, t3i, t4i or ???

 
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Jun 26, 2013 07:14 |  #46

kawi_200 wrote in post #16065024 (external link)
Check out review on the 60D at The-Digital-Picture

That's a great web site, really good reviews.

One important note from there, on the t4i review they expect the shutter life of the t4i to be between 50-100k, probably closer to 50k. The 60d is rated at 100k.
With my wife taking so many pictures (123k on the xsi over the last two years) the 60d might be the bet way to go.


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Jun 26, 2013 07:16 |  #47

I was under the impression the shutters were the same I those two cameras.......


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Jun 26, 2013 08:03 |  #48

No, besides reading it in reviews I talked to canon and they are different.


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Jun 26, 2013 08:08 |  #49

dansmail26 wrote in post #16066109 (external link)
No, besides reading it in reviews I talked to canon and they are different.

If the xsi died at 123k, wouldnt you expect the same from the t4i? Why would you say "probably 50k" for the t4i when the xsi went the distance?

Regardless of which camera you choose, I would expect well over 100k actuations for both.


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Jun 26, 2013 08:25 |  #50

Recently switched out my t2i for a 50d as my 1.6 crop. AFMA and multiple f/2.8 cross type sensors have spoiled me with the 1dIII and now 50d. I love ML but do not see myself using the RAW video feature at all. Yes the prices have come up, but what the RAW video addon has done is brought out a lot of very lightly used 50ds into the market. Mine came to me with a shutter count of 4147.

XXXd vs XXd? Since she likes the feel of the XXd, I think that is the way to go. It is the progression pathway that Canon has spent years developing, mostly through selective feature addtion/removal. Even so, the more superficial things like better sounding shutter, top lcd screen, making her feel profession still count for the overall experience. Sure those thing have no effect on the photo itself, but there is also the enjoyment and just the mental factor of taking pictures. If she feels better and happier with a XXd and might feel more self conscious, less worthy, have regrets with an XXXd, regardless of the validity, it may make a difference in terms of, for example, her wanting to improve in new ways vs just doing what she has been doing or even losing interest.

Shutter count life expectancy is an estimate, but given her SPD (shots per day), XXd also makes more sense.

50d vs 60d. I didnt have to think about this. I no longer have a current 18MP crop sensor camera, but am ok with losing 3MP, a generation of DIGIC, losing maybe a stop of noise, worse screen, less advanced features all for AFMA. At least to me, it is that important. Shallow DOF and missing the plane of focus due to front or rear focus irks me and there is a lot of variability of lenses and camera combinations even within my collection.

One factor for you might be used market with 50d vs refurbished/new with warranty 60d. If your 50d needs a repair the first year, you could lose out in terms of money saved buying used vs having it covered with the 60d.

You mention low light in your first post. 60d or in my case t2i wins, slightly. More so in the noise deptartment per iso. I would guess less than a stop.

No matter what you get, its going to be an upgrade for her. Just dont forget, happy wife...


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Jun 26, 2013 08:28 |  #51

kenshap wrote in post #16066124 (external link)
If the xsi died at 123k, wouldnt you expect the same from the t4i? Why would you say "probably 50k" for the t4i when the xsi went the distance?

Regardless of which camera you choose, I would expect well over 100k actuations for both.

I am worried that we got extremely lucky with the 123k, but who knows!

The review that I read that I was talking about in the post said "50-100k, probably closer to the low end though.."


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Jun 26, 2013 08:44 |  #52

lilkngster wrote in post #16066160 (external link)
Recently switched out my t2i for a 50d as my 1.6 crop. AFMA and multiple f/2.8 cross type sensors have spoiled me with the 1dIII and now 50d. I love ML but do not see myself using the RAW video feature at all. Yes the ...........se deptartment per iso. I would guess less than a stop.

No matter what you get, its going to be an upgrade for her. Just dont forget, happy wife...

Thanks.
I think the decision is made, we are going for the 60d based on the low prices right now, shutter life, and her thinking she will use manual setting more often with it.

This was tough. The two cameras have so many similarities. I don't think buying either would have been a wrong decision.
Here's the prices I found -
T4i - Canon Loyalty $511+tax refurb with one year warranty or $500 used.
60d - Canon Loyalty $575+tax for a refurb with a one year warranty or buydig (thru Ebay) $599 new with one year warranty, or used through here for $500.

I am thinking it would be best to buy the new one through buydig (ebay). I think the one year warranty and peace of mind is worth the $100.

Happy wife (for a few days at least, LOL)!!

Thanks everyone.


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Jun 26, 2013 09:18 |  #53

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60d is a bigger heavier camera. I faced the same decision when I ultimately bought the t4i over the 60d. I didnt need a 7d and i gripped the t4i, which means I have the flexibility of increasing the heft or decreasing the heft. After recently playing around with the 60d at costco, I realize I made the right decision.

Not that much bigger or heavier that the T1i which I upgraded from. After all, when it was introduced, it was panned for being too light and plasticky until people realized that it was as rugged as it's predecessors. Now it's too heavy? My sister uses a 60D and loves it. At the prices now, the OP would be getting way more camera for the money than he would with the T4i. Just the better overall control setup is worth it. Touch screen is irrelevant on a DSLR, and he says video is not a priority.

60D just makes good sense.


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Jun 26, 2013 10:44 |  #54

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Not that much bigger or heavier that the T1i which I upgraded from. After all, when it was introduced, it was panned for being too light and plasticky until people realized that it was as rugged as it's predecessors. Now it's too heavy? My sister uses a 60D and loves it. At the prices now, the OP would be getting way more camera for the money than he would with the T4i. Just the better overall control setup is worth it. Touch screen is irrelevant on a DSLR, and he says video is not a priority.

60D just makes good sense.

Hi Preeb, it depends on your priorities as a photographer as to whether or not the 60d is more camera. Op thought 60d was the right camera, I didnt. The touchnscreen is phenomonal, btw.


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Jun 26, 2013 11:02 |  #55

kenshap wrote in post #16066561 (external link)
Hi Preeb, it depends on your priorities as a photographer as to whether or not the 60d is more camera. Op thought 60d was the right camera, I didnt. The touchnscreen is phenomonal, btw.

Kenshap - I really appreciated your thoughts, as I did everyone elses. I really do think either camera would have been fine. One reason I was wondering about the touch screen is my wife doesn't always have her glasses on, I think the buttons will be easier for her to quickly use vs the touch screen.
Thanks!


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Jun 26, 2013 11:10 |  #56

dans,

Congrats to your wife on her new camera. I love mine though as you said, a 4Ti wouldn't have been a mistake. If she's so inclined, have her post some of her photographs on the two POTN "official" 60D threads. The group is very supportive and friendly.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1198754

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1284689


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Jun 26, 2013 11:12 |  #57

60D has been a phenomenal camera for me. I am sure she will love it.


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Jun 26, 2013 11:28 |  #58

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60D has been a phenomenal camera for me. I am sure she will love it.

Same here. I could never go back to a Rebel after having my 60D. The top LCD is a HUGE plus for me, I hardly ever look at the main screen anymore for changing settings on the fly. Ergonomics are far better for me and the larger and clearer viewfinder is a big plus over the T4i IMO. The touchscreen on the T4i is cool, and I could see how it could be useful but for me, the top LCD is a more usable feature.


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Jun 26, 2013 11:50 |  #59

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dans,

Congrats to your wife on her new camera. I love mine though as you said, a 4Ti wouldn't have been a mistake. If she's so inclined, have her post some of her photographs on the two POTN "official" 60D threads. The group is very supportive and friendly.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1198754

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1284689

Here's some of her sxi pictures on a 365 site, where she posted a pic a day, until the sad day....
http://365project.org/​debihas27/365/2013-06 (external link)


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Jun 26, 2013 13:13 |  #60

Personally, I would go to the 60D in your case for the top LCD alone. I also prefer the size and weight of XXD over XXXD. But like Mavgirl mentioned on the first page, your wife will be the best judge about what fits better in her hand. To me, with the XXXD cameras it feels like my fingers are digging into the side of the camera due to how small those bodies are.

A used 50D is also an option but like other people mentioned you have to factor in the cost of a potential repair. The 50D is also heavier than the 60D which your wife already thought was getting heavy. However, the big reason for 50D > 60D is that the 50D has MFA which can be important if you use primes and like shallow DOF.


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