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Thread started 06 Jun 2013 (Thursday) 18:03
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70-200 2.8 IS II vs 200 2.0

 
cdang
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Jun 27, 2013 10:19 |  #121

LensGuy, you have nothing to prove. Enjoy your new lens. I have both and I know which I prefer.




  
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Jun 27, 2013 10:42 |  #122
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cdang wrote in post #16069631 (external link)
LensGuy, you have nothing to prove. Enjoy your new lens. I have both and I know which I prefer.

I am not trying to prove anything. Initially in this thread I was asking a lot of questions and got a lot of conflicting answers. After getting the lens, I got my answers, but now I am just trying to help others who might be in my shoes one day. I have done a lot of googling before coming here and posting this thread and if I remember correctly there was only one thread in canon rumors comparing the two lenses. Even that thread however had no side by side comparisons with real pictures, it was more about people commenting on both lenses. I dont think anyone has taken the time to properly compare these two lenses which is what I am trying to do.

An interesting comparison I am doing is also with the 2x extender and there is a massive IQ difference there at 5.6 as well as pretty significant AF speed. The prime is very useful in that regard. I have tried the 2x extender side by side with the 300 mk2 and see no difference in AF speed. A lot of articles refer the 300 and 400 mk2 as the "IS II lenses optimized to work with mk3 extenders". What many people havent realized is 200L also shares the same AF and IS characteristics. Its not called IS II because its predecessor was 1.8 not 2.0. I think this is also very useful information because I read in a lot of 300 2.8 threads where people were leaning towards that lens due to its improved performance with the new extenders.

On that note, I saw almost no improved IQ between 1.4 mk2 and mk3 converts but big difference in 2x. With mk3 2x converter the image is fairly useful. This is why I picked up 2x first.

In scenes that are red or yellow dominant, there is also a warmness difference between the zoom and prime. I feel that all of this is very relevant and should be shared with everyone
There arent that many people who own the prime let alone own it along with the zoom, so I see the value of doing this.

I think starting a brand new thread with a "200L review" title might clear things up a bit as I was not intending to turn this into a competition thread.




  
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Jun 27, 2013 12:16 as a reply to  @ TheLensGuy's post |  #123

All I will say from every thread you've started/posted in lately is that I'm really happy that I just go out and take pics and enjoy them rather than ordering 3 copies of everything I buy and taking pics of the wall all day. To each their own.




  
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Jun 27, 2013 12:43 |  #124

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16069201 (external link)
Sure it does, because it has to be the zoom or the photographer at fault, prime cannot be sharper than the mighty sensational zoom!

I also agree you missed focus on the 70-200MKII test shots. I don't think people are saying that because the 70-200MKII pictures aren't as sharp, but rather because of the obvious blurryness. Regardless of how sharp the lens in, the images it produces shouldn't have blur.

mileslong24 wrote in post #16070039 (external link)
All I will say from every thread you've started/posted in lately is that I'm really happy that I just go out and take pics and enjoy them rather than ordering 3 copies of everything I buy and taking pics of the wall all day. To each their own.

Haha, that was pretty funny. I do the same for my lenses, takes an hour or two, but gives me a sense of confidence in my equipment. When I used to shoot glamour, it was amazing what an Microadjustment of 3/4 could do...the difference between "pretty sharp" and "can see each individual eyelash clearly" sharp.


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Jun 27, 2013 12:57 |  #125
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RickRandhawa wrote in post #16070094 (external link)
I also agree you missed focus on the 70-200MKII test shots. I don't think people are saying that because the 70-200MKII pictures aren't as sharp, but rather because of the obvious blurryness. Regardless of how sharp the lens in, the images it produces shouldn't have blur.

Haha, that was pretty funny. I do the same for my lenses, takes an hour or two, but gives me a sense of confidence in my equipment. When I used to shoot glamour, it was amazing what an Microadjustment of 3/4 could do...the difference between "pretty sharp" and "can see each individual eyelash clearly" sharp.

The initial shot of the bottle may have been out of focus as I said several times now I was hand holding it and it was not scientific. Other shots however were shot using a tripod, manual focus in live view, and using a remote controller. I took 5 shots using each lens and picked the best. To put the "oof" comments to rest, I will shoot a picture of the focus chart using the zoom so you can see my zoom does not need MA and it focuses fine.

Remember that these are 100% crops and also remember that they are jpegs. Still apples to apples, but wanted to clarify.




  
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Jun 27, 2013 12:59 |  #126
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mileslong24 wrote in post #16070039 (external link)
All I will say from every thread you've started/posted in lately is that I'm really happy that I just go out and take pics and enjoy them rather than ordering 3 copies of everything I buy and taking pics of the wall all day. To each their own.

I am enjoying this lens so much, if I could use it in my sleep, I would. I just love it.

I have never had so many people compliment me on my pictures though. The only other lens that allowed me to do it was 85L II.




  
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Jun 27, 2013 13:11 |  #127

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16070123 (external link)
The initial shot of the bottle may have been out of focus as I said several times now I was hand holding it and it was not scientific. Other shots however were shot using a tripod, manual focus in live view, and using a remote controller. I took 5 shots using each lens and picked the best. To put the "oof" comments to rest, I will shoot a picture of the focus chart using the zoom so you can see my zoom does not need MA and it focuses fine.

Remember that these are 100% crops and also remember that they are jpegs. Still apples to apples, but wanted to clarify.

You don't need to prove anything to me sir, I was just pointing out what I saw.

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16070130 (external link)
I am enjoying this lens so much, if I could use it in my sleep, I would. I just love it.

I have never had so many people compliment me on my pictures though. The only other lens that allowed me to do it was 85L II.

Would love to see some of the shots you've taken with the lens! :)


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Jun 27, 2013 13:15 |  #128

RickRandhawa wrote in post #16070157 (external link)
Would love to see some of the shots you've taken with the lens! :)

Me too.:)


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Jun 27, 2013 13:30 |  #129

bobbyz wrote in post #16070164 (external link)
Me too.:)

Me three! I don't think I've ever had the opportunity to see any of your images, besides the test charts, of course!


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Jun 27, 2013 18:06 |  #130
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drzenitram wrote in post #16070205 (external link)
Me three! I don't think I've ever had the opportunity to see any of your images, besides the test charts, of course!

Me four:D


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Jun 27, 2013 18:15 |  #131
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I am sorry, I work 14 hour shifts, by the time I come home its already past bed time for the little one. So I can only do it at the weekend. I only work with family shots and I dont like posting them online (wife has an issue with this). I am hoping to post a thread with lots of pictures this weekend/next week.

That being said, I want to reiterate what I said earlier about the 2x extender. This lens is just amazing with the 2x extender. The difference between the zoom and the prime is even more pronounced using the extender. I cannot believe the IQ I get using the extender.




  
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Jun 28, 2013 06:32 |  #132

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16071007 (external link)
I am hoping to post a thread with lots of pictures this weekend/next week.


Good.


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Jun 28, 2013 11:02 |  #133

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16071007 (external link)
I am sorry, I work 14 hour shifts, by the time I come home its already past bed time for the little one. So I can only do it at the weekend. I only work with family shots and I dont like posting them online (wife has an issue with this). I am hoping to post a thread with lots of pictures this weekend/next week.

That being said, I want to reiterate what I said earlier about the 2x extender. This lens is just amazing with the 2x extender. The difference between the zoom and the prime is even more pronounced using the extender. I cannot believe the IQ I get using the extender.

I get not posting your family shots online - so just take a 10 minute walk around your yard or neighborhood, take a picture of some flowers or an interesting tree, the local dog or cat, whatever. Just not another photo of a blank wall please. :)


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Jun 28, 2013 20:59 |  #134

jrbdmb wrote in post #16072927 (external link)
the local dog or cat

I can deliver both:

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I don't like the 200mm f2.0 combined with a 2x extender. The sharpness is still good, but you lose a lot of contrast.



  
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Jun 28, 2013 21:07 |  #135

Zweihaender wrote in post #16074513 (external link)
I can deliver both:

I don't like the 200mm f2.0 combined with a 2x extender. The sharpness is still good, but you lose a lot of contrast.

Whatever dude, not nearly as nice as a focus chart taped to a wall. Haha j/k

OHH man, beautiful shots....must...resist​. My buddy is selling this lens and I go back and forth daily on if I should buy it.

P.S. Ever try it with a 1.4x?


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