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Jun 27, 2013 11:30 |  #3136

Within the next month I'm picking up a mint/boxed/low shutter count Canon 5D Mk2 body.

I'm in a bit of a quandary as to which landscape lens to buy (?), interesting reading MNUplander's quote with regards to the Zeiss 21mm f/2.8 compared to Canon's EF 17-40mm f/4 L lens.

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Jun 27, 2013 12:10 |  #3137

Just a cautionary amendment to my comments above - make no mistake that the ZE21 is definitely the better lens and it is a joy to use. But, it is just worthwhile to point out that the laws of diminishing returns are very much at play here and when you compare apples to apples, the differences are not as apparent as some would have you believe.


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Jun 27, 2013 14:54 |  #3138

MNUplander wrote in post #16070018 (external link)
Just a cautionary amendment to my comments above - make no mistake that the ZE21 is definitely the better lens and it is a joy to use. But, it is just worthwhile to point out that the laws of diminishing returns are very much at play here and when you compare apples to apples, the differences are not as apparent as some would have you believe.

Everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion and where to spend their hard earned cash. I also switched from Canon 17-40 to Zeiss 21, and I thought the difference was fully justified despite the Zeiss's premium price and fixed focal lenght. I haven't looked back since. This is also evident on the lens sample threads on this forum. Differences can be subtle, but sometimes subtle differences can be quite huge. Their color rendering are quite different.

So, I guess my point is if someone is wondering which wide angle lens to get, the image sample threads are good place to see what pleases your eyes the most - and then make your purchasing decision :) Stay away from the 200L f/2 thread though - that thread will drive you crazy :lol:


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Jun 27, 2013 23:08 |  #3139

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Jun 28, 2013 01:52 |  #3140

Doc;

That's a beautiful captured image -- wow


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Jun 28, 2013 08:26 |  #3141

MNUplander wrote in post #16070018 (external link)
Just a cautionary amendment to my comments above - make no mistake that the ZE21 is definitely the better lens and it is a joy to use. But, it is just worthwhile to point out that the laws of diminishing returns are very much at play here and when you compare apples to apples, the differences are not as apparent as some would have you believe.


I've used both lenses as well and my experience mirrors yours.
Love the 21ZE but the Canon zoom is pretty darn close!




  
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Jun 28, 2013 09:04 |  #3142

Fantastic image Doc!


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Jun 28, 2013 11:24 |  #3143

Wow Doc! That is incredible!


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Jun 28, 2013 12:19 |  #3144

Agreed, and as mentioned the ZE21 is on my list while the 17-40 is not because at the end of the day, the ZE21 is the better lens and remains as one of my favorites of all time. I just wanted to point out to prospective buyers what to expect - sometimes a healthy dose of reality is helpful when folks on a limited budget are considering spending this amount of money on a lens.

And, I don't think the image sample threads are the greatest reference point, either. The 17-40 is within reach for a much larger group of folks that may or may not have as strong of a background as someone who is willing to spend nearly $2k on a wide angle/MF prime. As a result, the 17-40 thread isn't always representative of what that lens is capable of while the ZE21 thread looks consistently good most of the time.

Nice work around here lately, everyone.

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Everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion and where to spend their hard earned cash. I also switched from Canon 17-40 to Zeiss 21, and I thought the difference was fully justified despite the Zeiss's premium price and fixed focal lenght. I haven't looked back since. This is also evident on the lens sample threads on this forum. Differences can be subtle, but sometimes subtle differences can be quite huge. Their color rendering are quite different.

So, I guess my point is if someone is wondering which wide angle lens to get, the image sample threads are good place to see what pleases your eyes the most - and then make your purchasing decision :) Stay away from the 200L f/2 thread though - that thread will drive you crazy :lol:


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Jun 29, 2013 01:21 |  #3145

MNUplander wrote in post #16073159 (external link)
And, I don't think the image sample threads are the greatest reference point, either. The 17-40 is within reach for a much larger group of folks that may or may not have as strong of a background as someone who is willing to spend nearly $2k on a wide angle/MF prime. As a result, the 17-40 thread isn't always representative of what that lens is capable of while the ZE21 thread looks consistently good most of the time.

I guess we have to agree to disagree here then. There are some very talented people here on these boards, and the image sample threads gives excelent feedback how each lens performs in real life and what kind of results you can expect. And imo, the Zeiss thread is consistently surpassing the 17-40 thread in quality, because it's also easier to archieve those images that really pop. Unless you are calling the people who post in 17-40 threads uncompetent people...I know I don't.
This also corresponds with my experience from upgrading from 17-40 to Zeiss 21, just like one would expect from a $1800 prime. And I am by no means calling myself a talented photographer :D.

Now I agree that the 17-40 is still fantastic lens, and is probably suited more for some people because of it's versality alone. But this Zeiss does have some magical quality :). Maybe I am just biased, because this seems to be the only lens at the moment I own which I have true feelings for, lol :lol:. But enough chit chat for now...

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Nice shot Doc Fluty, that is gorgeous!

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Jun 29, 2013 12:13 |  #3146

First off, credit where its due - these are great shots...especially the last one.

As for the rest, I'm OK with disagreeing - just know that my comments are not a knock against the 17-40 users. All I said was that the price makes that "L" zoom attactive to a much larger audience with a wider range of skill levels than a $2k manual focus wide angle prime. If the ZE21 dropped in price to $650 overnight, I guarantee it wouldnt take long for the quality of this thread to diminish significantly.

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I guess we have to agree to disagree here then. There are some very talented people here on these boards, and the image sample threads gives excelent feedback how each lens performs in real life and what kind of results you can expect. And imo, the Zeiss thread is consistently surpassing the 17-40 thread in quality, because it's also easier to archieve those images that really pop. Unless you are calling the people who post in 17-40 threads uncompetent people...I know I don't.
This also corresponds with my experience from upgrading from 17-40 to Zeiss 21, just like one would expect from a $1800 prime. And I am by no means calling myself a talented photographer :D.

Now I agree that the 17-40 is still fantastic lens, and is probably suited more for some people because of it's versality alone. But this Zeiss does have some magical quality :). Maybe I am just biased, because this seems to be the only lens at the moment I own which I have true feelings for, lol :lol:. But enough chit chat for now...

Nice shot Doc Fluty, that is gorgeous!

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Jun 30, 2013 17:59 |  #3149

Wonderful work Tmuussoni and J-B!! :)

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