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Jun 28, 2013 12:14 |  #16

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I use the Sigma 50-500 OS, I used the 100-400L before that, but wanted more range, and better image stabilization.


I'm assuming you considered both Sigma long zooms, the 50-500 and the 150-500. Was range the only reason you selected the 50-500 or does it also have better IQ?


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Jun 28, 2013 12:28 |  #17

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I'm assuming you considered both Sigma long zooms, the 50-500 and the 150-500. Was range the only reason you selected the 50-500 or does it also have better IQ?

According to test I've seen the 50-500 is sharper than the 150-500, both need to be stopped down to get the best out of them and in real world it would be hard to tell. Being able to go down to 50mm is also nice but it it also cost more.




  
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Jun 28, 2013 12:28 |  #18

I didn't like the 150-500, the IQ just didn't seem quite right. I also have had 3 or 4 100-400Ls, and only one rivaled the Sigma 50-500 OS that I own for sharpness at the long end. The Canon has better IQ at the wider end of the lens, but at the long end, 400mm f5.6 vs 500mm f6.3, the Sigma won out.

Through the past couple of years I wanted to lower the weight of my gear and tried to move away from the Sigma, so I would pick up a 100-400L. Each time I did this and compared, between the OS, longer reach and better IQ at the long end, I decided to sold off the Canon. I had people lined up to buy the Sigma too, each time I did this exercise. I gave up and over the past 6 months, finally decided I would stay with the weight/size of the Sigma.

The 150-500 I owned for a while just didn't give me the same results.


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Jun 28, 2013 12:29 |  #19

lovemyram4x4 wrote in post #16073187 (external link)
According to test I've seen the 50-500 is sharper than the 150-500, both need to be stopped down to get the best out of them and in real world it would be hard to tell. Being able to go down to 50mm is also nice but it it also cost more.

That is true of about any lens, you always stop down around 2/3 stop to get the best IQ out of them. However the 500mm at f6.3 was sharper than 3 out of 4 100-400Ls at 400mm f5.6 in my own tests, and those tests were on a 7D and 1D4 (the 7D being a picky beast when it comes to glass).

Also as a side note, the Sigma's bokeh is more pleasing to me than the 100-400L too.

Some f6.3 wide-open shots (plus the one of the female red-wing blackbird in my post earlier), most are crops...

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Jun 28, 2013 12:47 |  #20

I also used the 100-400L prior to getting my 50-500 many years ago, I wasn't able to compare them at the same time but without checking I can't tell which shots were taken with which lens.

I'm going to finally sale my 50-500 since I don't really use it any more, but I might pick an OS ver later on for those times having a super zoom is the better choice.




  
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Jun 28, 2013 13:43 |  #21

watt100 wrote in post #16073106 (external link)
I agree, the 100-400 is probably the best of the longer zooms and the push pull makes it easier for quick shots. it's sharper than any of the Sigmas,
better AF, IQ is just better overall


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Unless you end up with a really soft copy - I got mine used and always assumed the fact that images were soft was down to user error. Just been on a workshop with a top UK nature photographer - who couldn't get any decent images at 5.6!

Was within Canon's tolerances - but still soft! Unusable under f8.

Have got rid of it & will make do with 70-200 2.8 and 1.4x until new 100-400 comes out!

(I hope it does - there is no way I can ever afford/justify getting the new 200-400)


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Jun 28, 2013 13:54 |  #22

With Sigma 150-500, another plus for the Sigma is that it has an awesome IS system, far better than the Canon 100-400.

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Jun 28, 2013 13:56 |  #23

Yes, the Sigma 150-500 is a bang for the buck lens to start with for birds. It is a bit soft wide open at 500 realize. I have had 2 of my students start wiht that lens and they were very happy for about a year or 2. Now they both shoot wiht an EF 400/5.6, monopod and a TC.


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Jun 28, 2013 14:27 |  #24

hania wrote in post #16073376 (external link)
Unless you end up with a really soft copy - I got mine used and always assumed the fact that images were soft was down to user error. Just been on a workshop with a top UK nature photographer - who couldn't get any decent images at 5.6!

Was within Canon's tolerances - but still soft! Unusable under f8.


Maybe it has something to do with the UK photographer ... or maybe it's being "soft" in the UK !

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Jun 28, 2013 14:33 |  #25

the sigma 150-500OS is a good bang for the buck, and is certainly capable...but if you have a budget that allows you to get the others, I don't think it belongs in your list...

I like mine, however i was thinking recently of renting a 400mm f5.6, and seeing how well i can fare with the prime only


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Jun 28, 2013 14:38 |  #26

dexter500 wrote in post #16072103 (external link)
Near my city I have nice place for bird photography,but,look at my sig,I only have 135mm longest reach :(
I decided to skip popular 70-200 fast zoom and buy now something longer xxx-400 or xxx-500mm zoom (NOT prime) but I'm not sure what is right choice. Sigma 120-400,150-500,50-500 (all with HSM and OS) or Canon 100-400?

Your short list is perfect. The recommendations for the 400mm f/5.6L prime are also good, and I would echo that, but if you want more flexibility your correct to be looking at the zooms.

Which one, of the above, is really a touch call. I like the 100-400mm for it's super fast zooming / framing capabilities. But I also have a 500mm prime, and before I had that, my zoom was a Sigma 50-500.. Now that these SIgmas have OS they are much more versatile, and compare much better vs the Canon 100-400mm.
I don't think you can go wrong either way.


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Jun 28, 2013 14:41 |  #27

How about the 300mm f4 IS, plus a 1.4 mk2 or mk3 extender?


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Jun 28, 2013 14:46 as a reply to  @ Phoenixkh's post |  #28

"the sigma 150-500OS is a good bang for the buck, and is certainly capable...but if you have a budget that allows you to get the others, I don't think it belongs in your list...

I like mine, however i was thinking recently of renting a 400mm f5.6, and seeing how well i can fare with the prime only"

I have both - since getting the 400, I never use the Sigma.


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Jun 28, 2013 14:52 |  #29

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I have both - since getting the 400, I never use the Sigma.

that's the reason i don't think i should rent it :)...i want to upgrade my body next...so we're talking at least a year or so before i'd even start thinking of being able to switch to the 400L


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Jun 28, 2013 15:25 |  #30

Used, even from a source like B&H in excellent condition, the 400mm prime is a real bargain .


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