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Jun 27, 2013 21:18 |  #1

I am very excited about the leaked 70D specs today. I feel like I finally have a clear upgrade path! I was never very interested in moving up to a 7D or 60D because it didn't make much sense to buy 3 or 4 year old tech. And I don't have the budget for a 5D3, so the 70D seems like a great way to go as long as the price is reasonable ($1,099-1,299).

How many T2i owners share my excitement?


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Jun 27, 2013 22:11 |  #2

If I was still using my 450D, I would definitely upgrade to the 70D. The specs look fantastic.


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Jun 28, 2013 06:21 |  #3

Sirrith wrote in post #16071520 (external link)
If I was still using my 450D, I would definitely upgrade to the 70D.

I resemble that remark.

I've been gearing up for a 6D purchase now I have some options.


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Jun 28, 2013 07:31 |  #4

It's too soon to tell if it's really "worth" the upgrade (Vary subjective and will be different for everone).

Hardware improvements are a few more mega-pixels (slightly improved resolution), Wifi (if you use the feature), 7fps instead of 4fps(T2i) (That's a nice improvement). 19 point AF - (Nice improvement).

However, with those hardware improvements, there are still a lot of questions to be answered about image quality, high ISO noise handling (higher density sensor), and dynamic range.

So I guess if you're flat out looking for better FPS, slightly higher resolution, and a little better AF, then this camera might be for you. To me the problems going to be the $$$$, because we all know Canon wants top dollar for the new gear. It has to make folks wonder if those incremental improvements will be worth it.


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Jun 28, 2013 11:17 |  #5

^The price will only really be a problem if you're planning on buying it at launch. I got my 6D kit a few months after launch for $2300 and I have yet to see it for less than that. If you're patient and you shop around you can snag a great deal. I'm sure this camera will be excellent, but if it's priced within $500 of the 6D, I'd strongly recommend people to take a second look at the 6D, it's a great camera ;)


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Jun 28, 2013 12:55 |  #6

RickFL wrote in post #16071411 (external link)
it didn't make much sense to buy 3 or 4 year old tech

It's not the technology, it's the features, right? I went from a T2i to even older technology, but the feature improvement substantially overshadowed the increase in "age" of the technology.

DSLRs aren't as subject to the planned obsolescence you find with other tech devices, and I don't like so many new photographers being scared off by the year a camera was designed. It should be a basic set of requirements needed, then compare features and market prices to determine value.


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Jun 28, 2013 13:15 |  #7

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16072980 (external link)
^The price will only really be a problem if you're planning on buying it at launch. I got my 6D kit a few months after launch for $2300 and I have yet to see it for less than that. If you're patient and you shop around you can snag a great deal. I'm sure this camera will be excellent, but if it's priced within $500 of the 6D, I'd strongly recommend people to take a second look at the 6D, it's a great camera ;)

+1. There will be great deals available within a few months online. I won't buy right away.

I will eventually move to a two body kit so that I can have the best of both worlds: 1.6x for wildlife, sports and such. And full frame for portraits, etc. But for now I think the 70D will be a great upgrade, especially if the sensor and ISO capabilities improve in this body. :)


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Jun 28, 2013 14:10 as a reply to  @ RickFL's post |  #8

I'm keeping an eye out for the 70D. I was planning on getting a 6D or a 5D3 but at this point both aren't fully delivering for me (especially regarding their price). The 6D AF system, while not being bad, doesn't live up to the price of the camera imo and the 5D3 is too expensive for what it has to offer (also very hard to justify for me at its current price).

So basically the 70D seems like a relatively cheap solution which isn't "underspecced" and does seem to live up to its price (even though the exact price isn't known yet). Based on the specs I would say a correct launch price would be slightly higher than the current price of the 7D. If shooting at high ISO values isn't needed, I would probably prefer the 70D over the 6D (i.e. if the specs are true).

But to be honest I'm really drawn towards the 5D3 AF system. If I look at the specs of the 70D, I'm thinking the 7D2 will be an APS-C version of the 5D3 or 1Dx meaning it will have the same AF system. But the AF point spread on APS-C bodies is always bigger than on fullframe bodies, so the 5D3/1Dx AF system in a 7D2 would mean an even bigger AF point spread.


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Jun 28, 2013 16:34 |  #9

I know it sounds typical, but I honestly don't think I could go back to any crop body as my main camera after shooting on FF. I'd take a 5Dc over the 70D... there's just something special about the look that FF images produce, especially for a prime lens user.

And honestly, as far as crop goes my T2i had just about every feature I could have wanted from it (aside from a top LCD screen). But different strokes for different folks. Jocau, have you looked into renting a 6D or 5DIII? I think you'd see that the price is worth it for either one ;)


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Jun 29, 2013 07:58 |  #10

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16073878 (external link)
I know it sounds typical, but I honestly don't think I could go back to any crop body as my main camera after shooting on FF. I'd take a 5Dc over the 70D... there's just something special about the look that FF images produce, especially for a prime lens user.

And honestly, as far as crop goes my T2i had just about every feature I could have wanted from it (aside from a top LCD screen). But different strokes for different folks. Jocau, have you looked into renting a 6D or 5DIII? I think you'd see that the price is worth it for either one ;)

Well, you still have an EOS M, so it's not like you totally dumped APS-C sensors. :) I don't always see that "special look" when looking at pictures of fullframe cameras. I guess it has to do with the even smaller DOF that comes with a fullframe sensor.

My 550D (T2i) isn't delivering for me on several points:

- Ergonomics (it's too small for my hands)
- It lacks off-center crosstype AF points
- It lacks AFMA
- It's too noisy above ISO800-1600 (I can solve this by keeping ISO low by using a flash)
- Its dynamic range isn't up to par with Sony EXMOR sensors (less important for me at this point)

I'm afraid that if I buy a 6D or 5D3, the 7D2 will be announced at the end of the year with a new sensor that has a better dynamic range than the 6D/5D3 and that has the same AF system as the 5D3/1Dx (but with a bigger AF point spread because that happens when you put a fullframe camera AF system in an APS-C sensor body). A clear trend regarding AF systems can be noticed:

AF system 60D -> 650D/700D
AF system 7D -> 70D
AF system 5D3/1Dx -> 7D2 (when you follow the rule above)

Keeping all these things in the back of my mind, I find the specs of the 70D really nice. I really feel it's a big upgrade from the 60D (and my 550D). I didn't have this feeling when seeing the difference between a 650D and a 700D. Even the difference between a 5D2 and a 6D isn't as big as the difference between a 60D and 70D imo.

The strange thing however is that I dreamt of the 5D3 last night. I was just walking around in the street with a 5D3 hanging around my neck with the camera cap attached. I guess I was out of money in my dream so a lens wasn't an option. :D


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Jun 29, 2013 08:19 as a reply to  @ jocau's post |  #11

Actually AF system t4i -> 60d due to improvements in live view focusing. so at some point some rebel will have better af than the 70d.


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Jun 29, 2013 09:07 |  #12

kenshap wrote in post #16075320 (external link)
Actually AF system t4i -> 60d due to improvements in live view focusing. so at some point some rebel will have better af than the 70d.

The 60D was out before the T4i, so you can't put the AF system of the T4i in the 60D. ;)


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Jun 29, 2013 10:22 |  #13

I see what you're saying Jocau, and different photographers have different needs from their camera. For me the 6D does everything I want it to and a bit more. I honestly think the images from my 6D look better not just from the shallower DOF, but because of how it shows lenses "weaknesses" (soft corners, vignettin), I feel shots from my 6D (especially when using vintage primes) just have a pop that I can't acheive with my M, I also spend much less time processing the RAW files from the 6D.

That said, my M is still a fantastic camera and produces truly great pictures, it definitely still has a place with me, I just wouldn't want to be limited by shooting exclusively on crop again.


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Jun 29, 2013 10:37 as a reply to  @ jocau's post |  #14

Of course they will finally announce the 70D just a few days after I buy a used 50D. Haven't even had a chance to use it yet as I don't have any CF cards.


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Jun 29, 2013 11:06 |  #15

jocau wrote in post #16075413 (external link)
The 60D was out before the T4i, so you can't put the AF system of the T4i in the 60D. ;)

Of course the t4i is newer...I was refering to technology trickle down, of which the automotive industry is a prime example.


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