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Jun 30, 2013 00:27 |  #1

I have this camera for about 4 years now, i just found out that i'm having problems with some colors like cyan and pink.

I just found out when i was shooting my wife's line of cloths. I'm using 430ex flash bounced to a white styrofoam. Set my white balance to flash. All other colors are correct except pink and cyan. Cyan would turn blue and pink would turn red.

If i try to correct the color using white balance, my white wall would turn to yellow.

Geez.. my cellphone camera captures better than my dslr.

I also tried shooting the same colors outdoor but had the same effect.

Any clues?


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Jun 30, 2013 01:46 |  #2

Do you have sample pictures you can share with us?


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Jun 30, 2013 08:44 |  #3

DYORD wrote in post #16077128 (external link)
I have this camera for about 4 years now, i just found out that i'm having problems with some colors like cyan and pink.

I just found out when i was shooting my wife's line of cloths. I'm using 430ex flash bounced to a white styrofoam. Set my white balance to flash. All other colors are correct except pink and cyan. Cyan would turn blue and pink would turn red.

If i try to correct the color using white balance, my white wall would turn to yellow.

Geez.. my cellphone camera captures better than my dslr.

I also tried shooting the same colors outdoor but had the same effect.

Any clues?

with the XSi/450D I always shoot in in RAW and use AWB but sometimes make adjustments for indoor shots because of the mix of lighting - tungsten, fluorescent, natural, etc. if you suddenly started having color problems outdoors I would say yes, something is wrong.
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Jun 30, 2013 12:59 |  #4

Get an 18% grey card. Set WB off of that IN THE SAME LIGHT YOUR SUBJECT IS IN. If that doesn't work, you have a problem.




  
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Jul 03, 2013 10:48 |  #5

Here it is:

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Red colors were taken with my 450D, then the correct colors were taken with Samsung S3. White balance were set to daylight.

Canon 450D; Kit lens 18-55mm f3.5-5.6; 50mm f1.8, 55-250mm IS; 430EX II.
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Jul 03, 2013 10:59 |  #6

What technique were you using to set your white balance? What picture style mode were you in? Have you tried shooting raw?




  
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Jul 03, 2013 11:04 as a reply to  @ gonzogolf's post |  #7

i've had weird color gamut shifts with my XSi, which is what I believe is the problem.

The only time I've seen it was with in-camera JPG, so I agree with the others, shoot RAW.


if you really want to keep shooting jpeg, try dramatically reducing the saturation in your camera profile.


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Jul 03, 2013 23:49 |  #8

With Canon 450D/Xsi, there are only few options to set the white balance. Sun, Flash, Shade, Incandecent, Cloudy, AWB, custom.

Can't really manually adjust the kelvin like the xxD's and up.

Also tried shooting a white board and set my white balance there. It didn't help.

But only these colors I'm having trouble with.

I'll give a try with your suggestions..


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Jul 04, 2013 06:57 |  #9

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What picture style mode were you in? Have you tried shooting raw?
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I agree, it might be the jpeg picture styles or something.
Try shooting in RAW (using AWB) and seeing how the Temp and Hue slider points are set




  
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Jul 06, 2013 12:38 as a reply to  @ watt100's post |  #10

while white balance is important, and does effect color, in this example i don't think it is the culprit. I would be much more likely to believe it to be the cause of the problem if the garments were photographed under something other than daylight.

again, i believe the problem lies with the conversion of color data from one color space to the another, and that there is a flaw with the XSi mapping of out of gamut colors.

This re-mapping of colors if done with some other tool (photoshop or DPP) has not been a problem for me and my XSi.

i'll be shocked if raw doesn't fix it.

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Jul 06, 2013 22:20 as a reply to  @ Left Handed Brisket's post |  #11

Many years ago I was shooting a fashion spread for a magazine for a client. Bronica ETRs/Fujichrome 100, shot in a studio using Multiblitz studio flashes. The garments were of varying colours and fabrics.

All went sweetly except for one garment, a knitted synthetic fabric, apricot/salmon in colour. Skin tones on the model perfect, accessory colours perfect,, just the garment was off. The client who supervised the shoot was not pleased.

I reshot using the same film but from a different batch, had it processed at a different processing lab,, same result as the first time. I even included a colour checker card in a couple of pics as a reference.

We came to the conclusion. There are colours, especially if combined with certain fabrics that just don't produce any colour fidelity.


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Jul 07, 2013 07:35 |  #12

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again, i believe the problem lies with the conversion of color data from one color space to the another....

Good point. What's your color space menu selection set at?




  
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Jul 07, 2013 12:23 |  #13

I'm using sRGB... I have yet to try it again.. I'll post pics as soon as i get the dress back. :D


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Jul 07, 2013 12:48 |  #14

DYORD wrote in post #16077128 (external link)
I have this camera for about 4 years now, i just found out that i'm having problems with some colors like cyan and pink.

I just found out when i was shooting my wife's line of cloths. I'm using 430ex flash bounced to a white styrofoam. Set my white balance to flash. All other colors are correct except pink and cyan. Cyan would turn blue and pink would turn red.

If i try to correct the color using white balance, my white wall would turn to yellow.

Geez.. my cellphone camera captures better than my dslr.

I also tried shooting the same colors outdoor but had the same effect.

Any clues?

You're shooting two different kinds of light. You have daylight and flash so when you use the WB flash setting it's going to be the wrong colors. Learn to set a custom WB when shooting mixed light or shoot RAW and pull from a neutral in post.


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Jul 07, 2013 13:16 |  #15

Yeah, you have flash, shade and full sun mixed in different shots. That makes it near impossible to get right. In each case, the top image looks somewhat over saturated, with a slightly green bias. And the bottom version looks more faithful, but a bit cool with some slight magenta/blue cast. It's impossible for us to know which is correct, which is more accurate and which is not, since we can't see the original items. I am viewing the images on a graphics quality computer monitor that's regularly calibrated, but am using Windows Explorer browser, which is not calibrated. So that's another big variable effecting color.

It's a problem working with mixed light sources. For best accuracy, you must select one particular type of light and avoid mixing. Most fashion and product photography is done in studio where a set of carefully calibrated and powerful lights are used as the sole light source. Reflecting off of an unknown item like a piece of styrofoam adds another variable... who knows if it's reflecting accurate light or if it's also adding some tint to the mix. Shot in a studio, you can get different looks by bouncing light using reflectors that are white, silver, gold or various mixes. You also might use a flag to hold back light, or a grid or snoot to direct it more precisely and prevent scatter that the camera might pick up.

So try just picking one light source... Just not direct sun because of the heavy shadows it creates and because it's too variable... changes color throughout the day, not to mention clouds that come and go and the constantly changing position of the sun. Other than that, shooting digitally and thanks to Custom White Balance it doesn't matter very much what light source you use, so long as it's uniform.

Shooting RAW will allow you to better adjust colors later, if needed. Shooting in-camera JPEGs will apply various pre-determined settings, including color temp and tint, to all your images. J{EGs are much harder to adjust later on.

Next, as others have mentioned and I've already hinted, you must set a Custom White Balance in the light you have chosen to use. Use a proper gray card and incorporate it in some test shots during the shoot, keeping those shots for reference on your computer. There are also MacBeth Color Checkers, as someone else already mentioned, that have a series of squares showing a full range of colors. If you also incorporate one of those in your test shots, you can see during post-processing if there is a particular bias toward or against certain colors, and adjust accordingly.

Finally, after the shoot you have to process the images using a calibrated, graphics quality computer monitor. None is perfect or can display the full gamut of colors captured. A print made from the image is likely to show wider color spectrum. A web-sized image is likely to show less. If making the images for online display, don't worry too much anyway. Some browsers do not adhere to any particular color profile and most people use consumer grade, uncalibrated monitors to view online. Most online retailers selling products that are colorful put a disclosure on their website, that basically says "colors shown are only an approximation because the computer you're using to view images on this website is a cheap POS that's incapable of rendering color accurately and isn't helped in the slightest by sofwares that don't adhere to any standard either". Okay, they say it nicer than that, but you get the idea.

It is true, too, what Jurgen wrote. Some fabrics and colors simply don't render well in various media.

All you can do is do the best you can. And that means controlling the source lighting as rigidly as possible and being careful to set an accurate, Custom White balance, and then processing the image through an equally carefully controlled computer system, to make an end product image (for whatever purpose you need) that's as close as possible to reality.

In print or online, it ain't never gonna be perfect, though, so you might want to include a disclosure. Most people who buy online are delighted and amazed how much better things actually look when they receive them.

Now you know why fashion photographers get paid the big bucks! It can take a lot of expensive equipment, extensive knowledge how to use it, and many hours or even days to set up the lighting (especially outdoors) for a session that only takes minutes to actually shoot.

Oh, and maybe it's just me, but I'd think dresses and any other sort of clothes would show off a lot better on a model, rather than on a mannekin. ;)


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