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85L, 70-200 II, or leave it alone?

 
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Jul 01, 2013 12:03 |  #31

I feel like I'm on a see-saw. One minute I'm positive I should sell the zooms for the 50L, the next I'm positive I should keep the zooms. And when I'm in the middle, I should sell the 24-105 and 85 and buy the Sigma 50 and 85. At this moment, I'm at the point where I feel the urge to sell the zooms and get the 50L...


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Jul 01, 2013 18:36 as a reply to  @ post 16045821 |  #32

I agree that the f4 is crazy sharp, and I don't have the IS version. I've carried this around all day. It's great for travel.




  
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Jul 01, 2013 18:43 |  #33
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shuter113 wrote in post #16082001 (external link)
I agree that the f4 is crazy sharp, and I don't have the IS version. I've carried this around all day. It's great for travel.

Nothing is crazy sharp. Trust me. I used to say 70-200 II is the sharpest lens I have ever seen until I bought the 200L F/2.

Anyways, OP, you can't go wrong with either, why don't you get both? I was in your shoes a year ago, and I ended up buying both lenses:) I don't regret that decision just one bit.




  
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Jul 01, 2013 21:55 |  #34

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So I'm old enough and experienced enough to make up my own mind on this in the long run, but thought it would be fun to have a discussion and get some other perspective. I love primes and primarily use my 35L, 85 f/1.8 and 135L when I'm at home. When traveling I have found them challenging and have still relied on zooms. On a recent trip, however, I used my 17-40 and my 35L the most and started appreciating the 35L as more of a walk around lens. I have had my 70-200 f/4L IS longer than any other lens, yet it's my least used lens. My third zoom is the 24-105. It's a great range, but ... I'm finding that in the conditions I use it (well lit outdoors), my S100 delivers (almost) as well as my 5D3 with the 24-105. Combine that with the fact that my 70-200 is my least used lens and the prospect of selling both and having a considerable sum (1500-1600 conservatively) Being that I love primes, I have had a serious itch for quite a while for the 50L and/or the 85L. So I see 3 options that I am starting to consider:

1 - Sell 24-105 & 70-200 and buy 50L
2 - Sell 24-105, 70-200 and 85 f/1.8 and buy the 85L
3 - Sell 24-105, 70-200 and 85 f/1.8 and buy the 70-200 f/2.8L IS II

Number 3 is a long shot, would require more cash, and I question if 2.8 would satisfy me. I primarily shoot candids of my kids around the house. So aside from the fact that I don't need any of this stuff to take pictures of my kids, what are your thoughts?

1 - 17-40, 35L, 50L, 85 f/1.8 & 135L
2 - 17-40, 35L, 85L & 135L
3 - 17-40, 35L, 135L & 70-200 f/2.8L IS II

Thanks for playing along and any perspective you can add.

Have all the lens you mentioned, sold 85 1.8 couple years ago and went with 85L II, sold 24-105L twice in the past and now I bought it back the 3rd time, out of all the lens I currently have I use 35L and 85L the most, while 24-105L is my travel lens or when I want to pack light. The 17-40L is for landscape only, the 100L macro is a fun lens, more like a toy to have fun with than anything else. The 70-200 2.8L II is my favorite of them all, just as sharp if not sharper than the 85L across the entire zoom range, but it is also my least use lens in the last year or two, because I rarely need the reach or the versatility. If I was forced to keep only three lens it would be the 35L, 85L, and 24-105L. The rest of them compliment each other like the extra socket sets you got in the tool box, you use them when you need them. :)


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Jul 02, 2013 06:32 |  #35

You need the 135L. :)

I think I have decided to keep the 70-200. For sentimental reasons as well as those few times when I need it. I should just get it out more, as I have some great shots from well lit conditions with it. I'm hoping to eventually get both the 50L and the 85L.

I'll probably change my mind again tomorrow. :)


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Jul 02, 2013 08:48 |  #36

Good move. Keep the 70-200 f/4 L IS and keep your wife!


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Jul 02, 2013 12:03 |  #37

I've had or lusted over many of these lenses and vacillate between being a prime/zoom guy. Here are my two cents.

Keep a couple primes and a couple zooms. Pick your focal ranges and keep lenses that complement them. I'd say a WA zoom and tele zoom, with a couple primes in the sweet spot of those ranges. You have the 17-40 and 70-200 f/4, but you don't seem to use the 70-200 for some reason. These two ranges make a great "shoot anything that comes my way" or travel combo. If you don't use the 70-200 you probably won't like the 2.8 version, since it's a heavy like a beast.

You like 35mm perspective. Do you like 85mm as well? Because they go really well together. I'd skip the 50mm, it's too close to either of those and I've had the 50L. I think the Sigma is 90% of the lens for 25% of the price. The magic of the 50L are the bokeh half-length portraits at f/1.2 to f/2.8, and honestly those get boring. Otherwise it is a competent, overpriced, and good looking piece of glass. I'd mention the 40mm pancake, but 35 is way too close for that. I had a 24/50/135 combo, so when i sold the 50 i wanted to fill the gap without breaking the wallet.

But now you have 85 and 135 primes (and a 70-200 that covers both of them). To me 85 and 135 are closer than 50 is to 35/85. Personally id sell both of them and put more money into an 85L or maybe even a 100L macro. I'd give up on the 50L, it's magical but not 85L magical. And if you play around with the 2.8 70-200 and think "this is a lens i might bring with me and use a lot" consider that as well. Personally i hate the thing as a physical object. It's white, loud, heavy and inconvenient. But damn it is extremely versatile and it gets the job done.

my current gear setup: 17mm TSE, 24mm 1.4, 28-70 2.8, 40mm 2.8, 70-200 2.8, 300 2.8. My gap is a wide angle zoom and either a 100mm macro or the 85L


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Jul 02, 2013 17:52 |  #38

randy98mtu wrote in post #16083335 (external link)
You need the 135L. :)

I think I have decided to keep the 70-200. For sentimental reasons as well as those few times when I need it. I should just get it out more, as I have some great shots from well lit conditions with it. I'm hoping to eventually get both the 50L and the 85L.

I'll probably change my mind again tomorrow. :)

I think you should keep the 70-200 for now. No.1 compelling reason is the CFO :)
Saw your Flickr and your children are still young. In a couple of years, they will be more active. If they are doing events indoors, then you'll have a compelling reason for the CFO to upgrade. That would hold true even if you use it least because when you need it, you really, really need it. I use mine perhaps 6-7 times a year but I couldn't live without it. My CFO doesn't have an issue now ;)

50L seems excessive if you already have the 35L. I have the 35L and my 50/1.4 got redundant after I had the 35L. A more logical step up would be to have the 85L instead of 50L.




  
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Jul 02, 2013 19:07 |  #39

Thanks for the additional thoughts. Disco, I love 85. I have also been leaning toward the idea of keeping the 17-40 and the 70-200 and perhaps ditching the 24-105 to fund either a 50 or upgrade to the 85.

I am realizing I just have toy lust. Today I have been drooling over the big screens on the Galaxy S4 and the HTC One. At the end of the day, my iPhone 5 does what I need. Then I start looking at the EOS M. I realize I'm just OCD about getting new toys. Not sure how to break the cycle!


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Jul 02, 2013 20:47 |  #40

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16043751 (external link)
85L II is very slow to focus, not so sharp (in fact very soft wide open)

pixel_junkie wrote in post #16046501 (external link)
:lol::lol::lol: What!?

Have you used it? The thing is macro sharp even wide open. Never saw another person complain about sharpness. Slow, yes but the lens is beyond sharp.

Haha....yeah, sorry TheLensGuy - maybe you had a bad copy? But this thing is pretty damn sharp wide open.

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Jul 03, 2013 06:46 |  #41

randy98mtu wrote in post #16085686 (external link)
Thanks for the additional thoughts. Disco, I love 85. I have also been leaning toward the idea of keeping the 17-40 and the 70-200 and perhaps ditching the 24-105 to fund either a 50 or upgrade to the 85.

I am realizing I just have toy lust. Today I have been drooling over the big screens on the Galaxy S4 and the HTC One. At the end of the day, my iPhone 5 does what I need. Then I start looking at the EOS M. I realize I'm just OCD about getting new toys. Not sure how to break the cycle!

My wife has an iPhone 5. I've got an HTC One. Her phone feels like a toy (to pun intended) next to mine lol.

But yes don't get too caught up in gear acquisition syndrome. It can be a beast.

You'll know when you *need* a lens...as in, you'll know when you feel something lacking in your kit that's keeping you from shooting the way you want to. Conversely, you'll know when you don't need a lens anymore and its time to sell it. People always have their own ideas on what your set-up should and shouldn't look like, and they tend to impose their own needs on others here. Don't get caught up in all of that!


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Jul 03, 2013 08:22 |  #42

mystik610 wrote in post #16086819 (external link)
You'll know when you *need* a lens...as in, you'll know when you feel something lacking in your kit that's keeping you from shooting the way you want to. Conversely, you'll know when you don't need a lens anymore and its time to sell it. People always have their own ideas on what your set-up should and shouldn't look like, and they tend to impose their own needs on others here. Don't get caught up in all of that!


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Jul 04, 2013 10:52 |  #43

man i have the same problem i want to get rid of my 24-70 and 70-200 and buy primes lol




  
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Jul 12, 2013 09:23 |  #44

The more I've thought about this, I'm starting to settle in on the idea of selling the 24-105 and the 85 1.8 to get the Sigma 50 and the Sigma 85. Seems this gives me the best of all worlds, if I can get winners in the Sigma lotto. I went through 2 Sigma 50's last year before I gave up and got the Canon 50 1.4 for a short time. I returned that as well for financial reasons at the time.

I tried to broach the subject with the CFO last night, but she wasn't up for such conversations so I just let it be. I just got the pot settled from some other issues, not a good time to stir it up again.


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Jul 12, 2013 12:05 |  #45

randy98mtu wrote in post #16113502 (external link)
The more I've thought about this, I'm starting to settle in on the idea of selling the 24-105 and the 85 1.8 to get the Sigma 50 and the Sigma 85. Seems this gives me the best of all worlds, if I can get winners in the Sigma lotto. I went through 2 Sigma 50's last year before I gave up and got the Canon 50 1.4 for a short time. I returned that as well for financial reasons at the time.

Sounds good to me. Only concern I would have would be how well the Sigma 50 focuses on your camera body(s). The three samples I tried didn't work out on both of my 5D2 and 5D3 at different focus ranges. I decided to stick with my 50/1.4 for now and wait for an upgraded Sigma 50. Playing with the Sigma convinced me to not go for the 50L --- I don't shoot 50mm enough to pay for the 50L given the Sigma 50's performance and pricing.


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