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Jul 01, 2013 23:28 |  #16

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16082754 (external link)
The 7d2 will be a crop version of the 5d3 w/61 AF points and 9fps.

Please link your reference.


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Jul 01, 2013 23:28 |  #17

TSmith8779 wrote in post #16082757 (external link)
With all the features on the new 70D, could this possibly mean the end of the 7D?

I think the 7D came out prior to the 60D, and should have been the next one up for a revamp.

Just wondering.

Not a chance. Canon is just taking their sweet, effing time. It better be good!


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Jul 01, 2013 23:33 |  #18

Aressem wrote in post #16082759 (external link)
Please link your reference.

https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=16082754&po​stcount=13

About like any other rumor with circular references, but you could intelligently extrapolate out what features would be needed to sell such a model given the specs of the 70d. :)


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Jul 01, 2013 23:34 |  #19

Preordered on amazon.com. Release date of August 15.


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Jul 01, 2013 23:34 |  #20

All those specs look great. Loving a lot of it... any mention of weather sealing?

And then? Oh goodie the god awful 60D/Rebel controls on the back. And it's the size of a 60D? What happened to the XXD and being a 'prosumer' line? Here is hoping this setup gets hopped up into the rumored 7D MKII.


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Jul 01, 2013 23:37 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #21

I just finished reading the preview.

I don't know, I'm still interested but not yet blown away. Not real talk yet of IQ or high ISO performance, or improved DR etc. Still many questions to be answered. But definitely some nice tech on board. This last paragraph makes me wonder about the future of DSLR's though:

Finally, we're also really interested to see what happens when Canon - as it inevitably must - puts its new AF technology into a mirrorless camera. An 'EOS M2' with Dual Pixel CMOS AF and more enthusiast-oriented controls could completely transform Canon's fortunes in this sector, after the lukewarm reception received by the EOS M. This could also substantially negate one of the biggest disadvantages of mirrorless cameras so far - their relatively poor focus tracking capabilities - raising further questions about why you'd still bother with the bulk of an SLR. But that's an argument for another day.

dinanm3atl wrote in post #16082775 (external link)
All those specs look great. Loving a lot of it... any mention of weather sealing?

And then? Oh goodie the god awful 60D/Rebel controls on the back. And it's the size of a 60D? What happened to the XXD and being a 'prosumer' line? Here is hoping this setup gets hopped up into the rumored 7D MKII.

Yes, it's weather sealed. Also it's slightly smaller than 60D. And I agree the buttons layout is not the best perhaps, but the new touchscreen interface is supposed to be excellent and useful.


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Jul 01, 2013 23:38 |  #22

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kind of hard to put the buttons on the bottom, with the flip out screen...

So put the on the left... like most of the Canon line-up. The wheel w/ built in d-pad is god awful. Then the 'play', delete and menu buttons are not in the same location.

And it's smaller? 40D/50D to 60D was a step backwards in terms of a 'pro-sumer' camera. This is a step forward in the tech but just a side step for ergonomics IMO. For someone that uses multiple cameras quickly having a camera that should be parallel to the others camera I am using having completely different layouts? That is not good.


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Jul 01, 2013 23:39 |  #23

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16082754 (external link)
The 7d2 will be a crop version of the 5d3 w/61 AF points and 9fps.

yeah a 7D II will probably be a damn good camera...my only question is, how long after this will it be announced, if we're talking a year, i'm grabbing a 70D


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Jul 01, 2013 23:40 |  #24

dinanm3atl wrote in post #16082775 (external link)
And then? Oh goodie the god awful 60D/Rebel controls on the back. And it's the size of a 60D? What happened to the XXD and being a 'prosumer' line? Here is hoping this setup gets hopped up into the rumored 7D MKII.

They aren't the "Rebel" Controls, but they are the 60D controls, yes.


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Jul 01, 2013 23:41 |  #25

I went straight from the rebel line to the 5D II and III in my gear progression and have no experience with the 60D and 7D cameras...is there any image quality difference between those? I would like to have some feel as to whether or not it is likely for the 7D II to have clearly better IQ than the 70D, or will the differences just come down to features like full weather sealing, 61 point AF, 2-axis electronic level, etc. ?


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Jul 01, 2013 23:41 |  #26

Looks like they have autofocus in movie mode too


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Jul 01, 2013 23:42 |  #27

BLUEONION wrote in post #16082792 (external link)
Looks like they have autofocus in movie mode too

I'd assume that's only with STM lenses


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Jul 01, 2013 23:45 |  #28

Honestly 5D MK III is the best camera for the money right now. But this might be a decent bak-up until the 7D MK II is released. I'm excited about the WiFi and Dual Pixel AF... Sounds like more tech to play around with! :)


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Jul 01, 2013 23:47 |  #29

Tom_D wrote in post #16082774 (external link)
Preordered on amazon.com. Release date of August 15.

Got a link handy? Search is failing me and since it looks like this fills in the few annoyances I have with my 60D (MF, better LiveView focus, WiFi) I think I'm going to need to pre-order one too.

Edit: Found the link, their search is a bit screwed up for this one. 70D Body only at Amazon (external link).


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Jul 01, 2013 23:47 |  #30

Aressem wrote in post #16082752 (external link)
I also read at Canon Rumors something about this "new sensor" allowing for far cleaner ISO than we're used to seeing as well as 5x faster AF, also because of this new 20MP sensor. I'm a 7D owner waiting for the new 7D. I'd like to see some reviews on this camera. I'm really not thrilled about the flip out screen, and button layout/ergonomics. It'd be nice to see the same level of build construction we were used to seeing with the XXD line-up pre-60D (10D-50D). I'm getting fed up with waiting for the 7D II though. If reviews prove that IQ is significantly improved, I might sell my 7D and get used to the controls until a new 7D comes out. SIGH.... come on Canon. Give us what we WANT. FFS....

Yes, it will be interesting to see how the new sensor handles high ISOs.

Rumor was that Canon nearly released the 70D several months ago with the same 18MP sensor as the 60D and Rebel/xxxD series models. But then pulled it back and waited until this new sensor, originally planned for the 7D Mark II, was ready.

The difference in AF performance is going to be seen primarily in Live View, should be particularly useful for videography.

However, it's interesting that the 7D's nineteen point AF is "trickling down" to the 70D. Still, the 7D uses a discrete chip to handle AF (ala the 1D-series) and I'm betting the 70D doesn't. Same with 5DIII vs 1DX, I'm sure. So perhaps the same 19-point AF system is going to be in the 7D Mark II, which is fine by me.

Of course Canon is working on a 7D Mark II! There is no way Canon will end the 7D line. That would be the same as handing over the pro-oriented, APS-C format camera niche to Nikon and Sony. The original 7D has been so successful, they'd be utterly crazy not to follow it up with a new one. Sure, 70D specs are starting to approach, maybe even surpass the original 7D in a number of ways (frame rate, AF system, high ISO?). So that means that the 7D Mark II will have to be even better. I wouldn't be surprised to see 7D Mark II any time from here to the end of the year. You can bet the farm that there's a 7D Mark II in the works. It's not a matter of "if", just a question of "when".

I expect 7DII will share the sensor with 70D, but will again have 100% viewfinder (not all that much greater than 98% on 70D, really), all metal construction, discrete chip driving focus, dual processors to give it higher frame rate capabilities (maybe 9 or 10 fps... unless a single Digic 5+ can handle it), maybe dual memory slots (hope they at least keep one Compact Flash, not a fan of tiny SD cards), and likely a re-designed optional battery grip with a secondary joystick (5DIII style)... Remains to be seen what they do with the AF system... if it stays the same nineteen points or they have something new in the works. Probably not the 61 point system of the full frame models, maybe a scaled down version of that (the current 7D AF system is sort of a scaled down version of the old 1D-series 45-point system, using only the 19 cross type points that system enjoyed). If they apply similar model to an upgrade, maybe the 7DII will have a 41-point AF system, taking all the cross-type from the 5DIII/1DX. Or maybe they'll just continue to use the nineteen point systems, since it's still quite good.

You'll just have to be a little patient, if you want a 7D II. Personally, I'd rather Canon not update 7D line more often than every four years... Would hate to feel the "pressure" to upgrade annually, the way they update the Rebel/xxxD line. 60D has had, what, 2-1/2 or 3 year lifespan? That's good, IMO, up from the 18-24 months they used to give the xxD models.

Really glad to see MA back in the 70D, too. That was a mistake on Canon's part, to leave it out of the 60D after it was in the 50D. MA has got to be some benefit to Canon Service Dept. too, since users can fine tune their own cameras and lenses rather than having to send them in for service work under warranty. Glad to see that the 70D's MA is going to be the newer, more advanced type, too (lens specific, up to 40 lenses and dual adjustment capability for zooms).

I'll be interested to see how effective "silent shutter" mode is, too. The noise of 7D and, even more-so, 5DII shutters has always been a bit much, as far as I'm concerned.

Apparently 70D has in-camera HDR with up to 9 images. I'm hoping that also means it can bracket up to 9 images. That would be great.

Could care less about GPS, WiFi, built-in flash, touch screen, built-in wireless flash control, and some of the other "features". But, hey, some people will want those things.
Uh oh, I just realised, with the 70D getting similar to the 7D's AF system, including the "Intelligent Viewfinder", we're going to see a whole bunch of 60D>70D upgraders whining about not being able to see their AF points in AI servo in low light, worring if the camera is faulty when the viewfinder dims down, and wondering about how to fit manual focus sceens! Same thing we saw when 50D shooters upgraded to 7D initially and again when 5DII folks upgraded to 5DIII. Oh joy!


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