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Aug 23, 2012 22:50 |  #16

I just dont see whats the big deal, if I can do my job I dont really care how many other photogs are there, specially the father.


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Aug 23, 2012 23:21 |  #17

sgtbueno wrote in post #14899411 (external link)
I just dont see whats the big deal, if I can do my job I dont really care how many other photogs are there, specially the father.

I agree.

I think, what is upsetting to some is the distraction it may cause. Others, I think, are concerned about lost revenue potential because there are other sources the guests have for images.

In this specific instance, I thought it was interesting that the dad was showing his pictures, before the ceremony even started.


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Aug 24, 2012 11:57 |  #18

I am not a pro and if I happen to shoot a wedding I am almost careful not to disturb the hired photographer, if any. I must say I am always a bit disturbed to hear the 'I am a pro, so my shots are better' line. I was asked to shoot my friends' wedding last year and turned it down because I have read so many time that you really need to know what you do. I gave them a list of pros in the areas and they hired one after meeting some pros in the list. I took some shots at the church and the party. The pro covered the church and a separate session, but was not hired for the party because of limited budget. I was really careful not to disturb the pro and only took shots from the distance. I spent a lot of time editing the photos, considering that the theme of the wedding was vintage. I met my friends afterwards and they told me that my shots in the church and outside the church were better, and they were pleased with my shots at the party...


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Aug 24, 2012 12:17 |  #19

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This is why I have it written in my contract that no other pro-photographer or pro cameras are not aloud to shoot. Doing so breaks the contract and will result in an immediate stop in professional services. I make it very clear to my clients as well. They are paying me and should not have their photos compromised by amateurs or others fighting for the couples attention. The wedding day is long and the couple has enough to deal with anyway, this can actually be a relief for them.

See I have no problem as a pro as I know my photos are better, I have this in my contract because of the distraction it can run and take away from the professional photos I can achieve for the couple who have paid me good money to do so. I suspect I will never have to leave a wedding over this, it just makes sure everyone is clear on the rules and will keep their guests in line.



I don't know if that attitude right way to approach the problem. It would certainly turn me off.

I brought my 1Ds and a 50L to my cousins wedding. Their photographer did not, not would I have let them stop me for taking all of.....15 pictures with it?

You may(should) consider updating your contracts language to reflect that you do not want distractions, and that you hold the right to ask people to stop snapping for a few minutes(or what have you).


If I were the bride, and you left my wedding because my father pulled out his 5D, or D4 or what ever, Id sue the ever loving you know what out of you.


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Aug 24, 2012 12:58 |  #20

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...When I notice that the couple or group has wondering eyes, I just stop, look at the photographer that is distracting them and say, loud enough for the couple to hear, "when you're done, I'd like to get some pictures too"...

After reading this thread I find that doing the above is the best approach. No need for a contract when you can simply and politely ask others to let you take your shots and then they can have at it.


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Aug 31, 2012 10:12 |  #21

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I don't know if that attitude right way to approach the problem. It would certainly turn me off.

I brought my 1Ds and a 50L to my cousins wedding. Their photographer did not, not would I have let them stop me for taking all of.....15 pictures with it?

You may(should) consider updating your contracts language to reflect that you do not want distractions, and that you hold the right to ask people to stop snapping for a few minutes(or what have you).


If I were the bride, and you left my wedding because my father pulled out his 5D, or D4 or what ever, Id sue the ever loving you know what out of you.

You missed the point completely.....I dont think I am even going to explain it to you,. :rolleyes:




  
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Jun 29, 2013 16:59 |  #22

My contract states that for formals if there are people mulling around that are not going to be in the photos then they need to be seated and quiet while I'm shooting. It also states that if there are distractions then I reserve the right to stop what I'm doing and let the rabblerousers do whatever they feel is important to do. Basically, the bride will make sure her wedding planner gets everyone out of the church before I start taking the formal photos.

I had to add this to my contract since one of the weddings I did there were (I kid you not) about 25 people directly behind me taking photos. I couldn't back up. I even had one person step directly in front of me while I was taking pictures and they stepped on my foot in the process. That was the last straw.


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Jun 30, 2013 00:29 as a reply to  @ CameraMan's post |  #23

I have a clause in my contract pertaining to this subject, but it still happens. I do two things to help rid myself of annoying second shooters. The first, is I purposely back into them... After a few toes get stepped on, they usually get the point.... My second solution is to speed things up... As soon as my exposure is made, I tell the couple to move or change things up, not giving time for someone to butt in for their attention.


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Jul 01, 2013 10:08 |  #24

i dont mind any amount of other photographers IF THE COUPLES DON'T MIND.

It all comes down to how great of a WEDDING photographer you are. It's very different from many types of photography, in which you have to have skills in directing and crowd control, all with your artistic mind in priority not being cluttered by your environment.

If you can't handle that, you just need more practice as a wedding photographer. I use to have issues with it often starting out, but realize its YOUR job as a photographer NO MATTER THE ENVIRONMENT to produce THE BEST images of your ability that the couple HIRED YOU for. MAKE it work. There are no excuses when it comes down to the final work being produce.

If you say something lame like, "oh they're were a bunch of people behind me." Are you not assertive enough to use a loud voice and tell guest, kindly, to back up and not be around you? Did the guest not speak the same language (plausible) but even then, hand gestures...

A lot of these people complaining, have a really bad eye for wedding photography. I wouldn't take their word for it.




  
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Jul 01, 2013 10:12 |  #25

vzuptnguyen wrote in post #16080604 (external link)
i dont mind any amount of other photographers IF THE COUPLES DON'T MIND.

It all comes down to how great of a WEDDING photographer you are. It's very different from many types of photography, in which you have to have skills in directing and crowd control, all with your artistic mind in priority not being cluttered by your environment.

If you can't handle that, you just need more practice as a wedding photographer. I use to have issues with it often starting out, but realize its YOUR job as a photographer NO MATTER THE ENVIRONMENT to produce THE BEST images of your ability that the couple HIRED YOU for. MAKE it work. There are no excuses when it comes down to the final work being produce.

If you say something lame like, "oh they're were a bunch of people behind me." Are you not assertive enough to use a loud voice and tell guest, kindly, to back up and not be around you? Did the guest not speak the same language (plausible) but even then, hand gestures...

A lot of these people complaining, have a really bad eye for wedding photography. I wouldn't take their word for it.

One of the greatest wedding photographers in the industry just posted this on his Twitter.

Shooting a beautiful church ceremony in Philly. It's tough being one man w a camera VS 150 people w iPhones in the damn way. #ridiculous


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Jul 01, 2013 23:53 as a reply to  @ Trent Gillespie's post |  #26

My patience runs really thin with casual shooters at weddings.. I once had a casual
Shooter come up to me with the ****s because I walked in front of her. The bride apparently said she could take photos with her 550d and kit lens

They are going to see the actual photos eventually anyway if they are close to the bride and groom..


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Jul 02, 2013 05:30 |  #27

The last thing I want is for the B&G or any of the guests to see me get pissed off because someone else is shooting. That does not lead to recommendations or foster good will. I am always cheerful and easy going at the wedding, no matter how many other "uncle Bob's" are there. If people are snapping away during the formals, I'll simply step back, smile and tell the crowd "once these guys have finished getting their shots, I'll get mine". I don't think I've ever waited more than 15-30 seconds.

I've had more pictures ruined by church ladies standing behind the bride as she walks down the aisle than people with cameras getting in my way.


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Jul 03, 2013 12:31 |  #28

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I've had more pictures ruined by church ladies standing behind the bride as she walks down the aisle than people with cameras getting in my way.

So true! I have one local planner who actually refers several brides a year to me, but gosh dang it you don't have to stand in the middle of aisle and watch the bride and her father walk down. I have started reminding her at every wedding as she tends to run up to straighten the brides dress as she makes her entrance then just stands there with them. uhhh

As for others with cameras, you can have it written all in your contract, I do as well, but enforcing it is another matter. I would rather not come off as that type photographer. I talk to the B/G during the consult and tell them that really the only time I might say anything is during the family formals as I need all the eyes looking my way. Even then you can find a polite or humors way to deal with it.


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Jul 03, 2013 12:44 |  #29

Candyann wrote in post #14874789 (external link)
This is why I have it written in my contract that no other pro-photographer or pro cameras are not aloud to shoot.

Do you define "pro camera" in your contract? I'm curious because saying pro camera is pretty vague and leaves room for a lot of challenges.

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Jul 03, 2013 12:50 |  #30

pyrojim wrote in post #14901361 (external link)

If I were the bride, and you left my wedding because my father pulled out his 5D, or D4 or what ever, Id sue the ever loving you know what out of you.

And you would lose.

GWAC's annoy me as much as anyone else. If they want to grab some candids and things during the ceremony/reception, etc. that's fine as long as they stay out of the way. I have no problem stepping in front of them, asking them to move, etc. Most are fine with that.

I simply do not allow other shooters to accompany the couple for the posed/semi-posed session shots with just the couple.




  
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