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5D3 to 6D: How much will the keeper rate go down?

 
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Jul 10, 2013 18:58 |  #1

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I am thinking about selling my 5D3 and get a 6D because I don't use many of the features and always shoot with the center point AF (single of the 9 pts cluster). I also I like the smaller size of the 6D, the wifi sync to the smartphone.
The only thing stopping me right now and the single point AF on the 6D.
Will my rate of keepers go down? I would say right now with the 5D3 I am around %90.
I mainly shoot portraits, family events, some kids soccer and swimming so nothing like the pros.
I could also get an extra lens like the Tamron SP 70-200mm F/2.8 Di VC USD with the savings.
Do you think I should keep the 5D3 or am I going to get similar results with 6D?


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Jul 10, 2013 19:13 |  #2

If you only use single centre point, not much if at all. The 5DIII is better at tracking, but a 6D should be more than capable of handling what you shoot.


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Jul 10, 2013 19:38 as a reply to  @ Sirrith's post |  #3

If using only center point I would have got 6d to begin with. I should have my 6d on Monday to test out. One thing even with center point you can enable 4 or more assist points on 5dmk3. Not sure what is on 6d. This comes handy for sports.


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Jul 10, 2013 20:07 |  #4

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If using only center point I would have got 6d to begin with. I should have my 6d on Monday to test out. One thing even with center point you can enable 4 or more assist points on 5dmk3. Not sure what is on 6d. This comes handy for sports.

That's what I have been doing. On the 5D3 that's what I use to shoot sport. It is a nine points cluser that makes focusing really easy and accurate. I am worried about losing it on the 6D.


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bobbyz wrote in post #16109271 (external link)
If using only center point I would have got 6d to begin with. I should have my 6d on Monday to test out. One thing even with center point you can enable 4 or more assist points on 5dmk3. Not sure what is on 6d. This comes handy for sports.

You get no assist point (expansion) on 6D, no single spot either.

Pretty much back to basics like 5D2.

To OP, if you only use centre point (no 5 or 9 points expansion), then 6D should work just as well.

Personally I would never go back to my 5D2 days. That was a nightmare.


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Jul 10, 2013 20:17 |  #6

So you want to trade fotocrack? :-)


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Jul 10, 2013 20:55 as a reply to  @ xinvisionx's post |  #7

I have a 7D and 6D. I use the 7D for sports because of AF system and expansion points. I only use center point focus with expansion.

There are cases where I use my 6D for sports. For example this evening I need to use my 70-200 and want to be able to shoot at high ISOs. I'm getting cleaner shots, but the keeper rate is less because I'm losing some to focus issues.


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Jul 10, 2013 21:43 as a reply to  @ adammazza's post |  #8

How much it changes is going to vary from person to person. The stats say it will go down. I personally don't have a lot of misses with the 6D's AF system and I'm not a center point only shooter. I am a slower, more methodical shooter though. Your experience may vary depending on how you shoot.


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Jul 10, 2013 22:03 |  #9

I have a 7D (have owned it since 2010), and bought a 6D a few months ago. My keeper rate has not changed.


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Jul 11, 2013 01:21 as a reply to  @ gabebalazs's post |  #10

I don't get this center point only thing. I want the freedom of having at least some artistic opinion about the images I shoot, so I don't want to have the main subject in the center all the time.
Yes, you can crop, but then you throw away a good deal of that resolution you paid for.

Guess I'm spoiled (or is it blessed?) with so many years of color slide shooting. Get it right out of the camera, or you blew it, sort of.


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Jul 11, 2013 01:40 |  #11

adammazza wrote in post #16109440 (external link)
I have a 7D and 6D. I use the 7D for sports because of AF system and expansion points. I only use center point focus with expansion.

There are cases where I use my 6D for sports. For example this evening I need to use my 70-200 and want to be able to shoot at high ISOs. I'm getting cleaner shots, but the keeper rate is less because I'm losing some to focus issues.

This what I am afraid of.
When I shoot soccer the expansion points do help a lot.
I am afraid I will lose out on the 6D.


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Jul 11, 2013 02:36 |  #12

apersson850 wrote in post #16109981 (external link)
I don't get this center point only thing. I want the freedom of having at least some artistic opinion about the images I shoot, so I don't want to have the main subject in the center all the time.
Yes, you can crop, but then you throw away a good deal of that resolution you paid for.

Guess I'm spoiled (or is it blessed?) with so many years of color slide shooting. Get it right out of the camera, or you blew it, sort of.

The idea is that you focus and then recompose. If it causes metering issues then you can focus, recompose, meter.

You do have to be careful if you are quite close to the subject though as recomposing from center point can throw the focus off slightly. Camera lenses focus on a flat plane so when you recompose and thereby change the the angle of that plane, the focus can slip forward or backward by a very small amount. But it's rarely enough to matter unless you're quite close with a wide lens.

Personally I use orientation memory focus point selection, usually set at around eye level if I'm shooting people. That way when I recompose, I'm not usually doing so by much and I still rarely have to move the focus point around. Also on the 6D there is a custom function which enables you to use the directional pad to quickly select focus points without having to press the focus select button first. So yeah, you can deviate from centre point focus somewhat and get very good results. I see this is a half way house technique which is certainly far more effective than centre only. Unless the light is bad and you need the extra stops of allowance from the very precise and sensitive centre point on the 6D.

As for downgrading... For what you do you will not be disappointed. The 6D's sensor is actually cleaner at high iso than the 5D iii. It seems that the extra couple of mp on the 5Diii perhaps would explain why this is. 20mp is more than enough for what you or 99% of us the rest of us will be doing. You will be staggered by the quality of images that this camera produces, especially considering that it's not far short of half the price of the 5D iii.

Camera bodies depreciate much faster than lenses so if you don't need the 5D iii, trade up while it's still worth a good chunk of dough and don't look back unless you ever need the much more advanced focussing system that the 5Diii has in the future :)

The wifi functionality is fantastic btw. I sometimes use it to quickly bump photos over to clients on the fly during an event so that they can tweet them which has gained me some serious browny points with them. Granted it's a bit of a techno novelty - but it's one that impresses people!

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Jul 11, 2013 04:23 |  #13

mike_foyle wrote in post #16110053 (external link)
The idea is that you focus and then recompose.

Sorry, my post wasn't complete. Yes, for things cast in concrete or similar, that works fine. But then you don't really need autofocus at all. I have many images taken with manual focus lenses/cameras of such stuff. No problem.

I was thinking about when tracking moving subjects, using Servo AF. Then the focus/recompose thing doesn't work at all, and I can't for my life understand why you would want to limit yourself to using only the center point in such cases? It's in these cases automatic focusing is really helpful, but not so much if it spoils you compositions all the time.


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Jul 11, 2013 05:15 |  #14

mike_foyle wrote in post #16110053 (external link)
The idea is that you focus and then recompose. If it causes metering issues then you can focus, recompose, meter.

I'll bet that's a load of fun shooting soccer ;)


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Jul 11, 2013 05:29 as a reply to  @ apersson850's post |  #15

It is not worth it. You may as well keep the 5d Mark3. I have both and they both feel about the same size. 5d Mark3 shoots far better pictures and will have a higher keeper rate. Try reading: http://www.learn.usa.c​anon.com …/2012/1dx_guide​book.shtml (external link)




  
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