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Jul 11, 2013 05:48 |  #1

Hey guys. I just opened lightroom 5 to process some shots that ive taken today (raw files) and noticed something very weird: You know when you open a .raw file on your desktop with the stock image app, its showing the image and says "loading..." for a second at the bottom, and then it makes the image to appear very flat? That is what happened to me or LR. I bought a used lens (70-200) recently and had a bit of trouble finding the right settings to use to make the colors to pop a little more. right now the picture style is in "standard" with color tone set to 0, saturation and contrast +2, sharpness at 3.
this thing never happened to me before on lightroom, is that even has something to do with the picture style? HELP PLEASE!


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Jul 11, 2013 06:31 |  #2

Lightroom can't read your camera picture styles.

What you can do is take one of your images, process it to your liking and then save that as a starting preset. Then, on import, apply this preset as your starting point.


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Jul 11, 2013 07:53 |  #3

this thing never happened to me before on lightroom, is that even has something to do with the picture style? HELP PLEASE!

This thing ALWAYS happens. Every Raw file has a jpg embedded in it that is used by the camera for its lcd display, by browser/viewer applications, by Explorer or Finder for the thumbnails (if the proper codec is installed) and by Canon's DPP as a guide to default editing. The jpg is processed by the camera with the settings you have dialed in - Picture Style, contrast, sharpening, etc. Lightroom doesn't give a ripe shaite for all that; it uses the embedded jpg for a few seconds and then makes its own low res preview jpg. It makes it according to one of three sets of parameters; a. the factory defaults, b. the new defaults if you have changed them, c. an Import Preset if one has been set in the Import dialog. If "a" is used, well the camera's jpg was made to look good, to look "finished" (you yourself wrote that you set it to "pop"), but LR's factory defaults are designed to produce a minimally edited, rather bland, starting point that can be taken in many directions. After all, the whole point of Raw is that you will edit it according to your taste and your judgement and your ability. If all you want is a result that looks just like the way the camera does a jpg, why wouldn't you just shoot jpgs in the first place?


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Jul 11, 2013 08:16 |  #4

tzalman wrote in post #16110448 (external link)
This thing ALWAYS happens. Every Raw file has a jpg embedded in it that is used by the camera for its lcd display, by browser/viewer applications, by Explorer or Finder for the thumbnails (if the proper codec is installed) and by Canon's DPP as a guide to default editing. The jpg is processed by the camera with the settings you have dialed in - Picture Style, contrast, sharpening, etc. Lightroom doesn't give a ripe shaite for all that; it uses the embedded jpg for a few seconds and then makes its own low res preview jpg. It makes it according to one of three sets of parameters; a. the factory defaults, b. the new defaults if you have changed them, c. an Import Preset if one has been set in the Import dialog. If "a" is used, well the camera's jpg was made to look good, to look "finished" (you yourself wrote that you set it to "pop"), but LR's factory defaults are designed to produce a minimally edited, rather bland, starting point that can be taken in many directions. After all, the whole point of Raw is that you will edit it according to your taste and your judgement and your ability. If all you want is a result that looks just like the way the camera does a jpg, why wouldn't you just shoot jpgs in the first place?

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Jul 11, 2013 08:57 |  #5

Romax12 wrote in post #16110499 (external link)
אפשר לדבר בעברית.. תודה רבה על העזרה קודם כל.
אני כבר רגיל לצלם רו כי אם יש איזה בעיה עם הוויט בלנס\חשיפה וכו אני יכול לתקן, אבל זה גורם לתמונות שלי לצאת ממש בלי צבע ובלי ניגודיות..

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Jul 11, 2013 09:10 |  #6

חוסר צבע וניגוד זה כמובן עניין של טעם, אבל ללייטרום יש מלוא הכלים להגבירם ואף להגזים בכך - אם זה מה שאתה רוצה. הכל אפשרי אבל זה דורש השקעה בזמן ומעמץ. בכל זאת אפשר לקצר את הדרך כי אחרי שמצאת את הכיונונים שמוצאים חן אפשר לשמור אותם כ"פריסט" ולכוון את הפריסט בדף היבוא כדי שהוא ישויך אוטומטית לכל צילום


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Jul 11, 2013 09:12 |  #7

lui-même wrote in post #16110600 (external link)
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Jul 11, 2013 11:05 |  #8

Just to throw more information out there:
Lightroom DOES read the white balance information from raw files, and (by default) uses the "As Shot" white balance as a starting point. Presumably, there might be more "as shot" information that it could read, as well.

OP, it's possible to make a default develop preset that is automatically applied upon import to images that meet a certain criteria. For example, if it was shot with the 70-200 lens, automatically apply your user-created develop preset to add +5 contrast, +10 saturation, and 40 Sharpening.


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Jul 11, 2013 12:42 |  #9

nathancarter wrote in post #16110910 (external link)
. Presumably, there might be more "as shot" information that it could read, as well.
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Theoretically, maybe so; practically, no way. Let's take a parameter that seems at first glance real simple, sharpening. In the camera you set a single number, 0 - 7. But what is LR supposed to make of that? In LR sharpening is set in three or four parameters. What does Canon's 3 correspond to? Moreover, if Canon is on the ball, 3 should mean different sharpening for different models, depending on sensor density and AA filter strength. (But Canon doesn't publish that information.) Also, LR sharpening is inherently different from Canon's. It is a blend of two different kinds of sharpening, the proportions of the blend being controlled by the Detail slider. And it is intended to be no more than Capture Sharpening and later complimented and completed by the Output Sharpening. I suppose an Adobe techie could find the optimum equivalent settings for every Canon sharpness setting, and every Nikon setting, and every Sony setting, etc., etc., etc. And the same for every other development parameter, although the non-availability of the maker's camera profiles would make finding perfect color equivalents impossible. But do we really want an already large application further bloated?


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Jul 12, 2013 11:32 |  #10

tzalman wrote in post #16110631 (external link)
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Let's keep it readable for the rest of us, shall we? ;)


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Jul 12, 2013 11:46 |  #11

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