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I'm Switching To Nikon????

 
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Jul 18, 2013 16:14 |  #106

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I have not kept up with the progress plans for POTN. That is most excellent news to me!

Yes. I can't wait to start up a medium format section. It's difficult to relate to anyone who doesn't use it. ;)




  
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Jul 18, 2013 16:16 |  #107

Dirty Murd wrote in post #16132430 (external link)
Not at all. And damn...I just looked at your post count. ;)

Yeah, I joined this forum yesterday. ;):lol:




  
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Jul 18, 2013 16:18 |  #108

Shadowblade wrote in post #16131036 (external link)
How does it compare with the IQ 140/160/180 when using it untethered (as would be the case in the field)?

Because the 140/160/180 live view quality is crap! In a lot of situations, you really can't use it without the right density of ND filter...

I've read up from other users that LV is the same but, from my usage it's been fine.




  
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Jul 18, 2013 16:38 as a reply to  @ jdizzle's post |  #109

To the OP:

In an effort to provide you with completely un-biased advice..

I just switched to Nikon and I don't regret it for a second because it was the best decision for MY situation. The D800E + 14-24 absolutely destroys (from my experience) my 5D Mark III + 17-40L or 16-35L II in terms of landscape shooting at low ISOs.

However, If I was shooting sports, I probably would've kept my 5D3...it is absolutely amazing at high ISOs. You really have to shoot with it to believe it. Also, the 6D is another high-ISO monster and it will be easier on your wallet.

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I'm not much impressed with the high ISO quality of my 7D and am ready to remedy this, one way or another!

If high ISOs are you issue...Canon is winning the high ISO battle right now.

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I figure it would be less costly to sell my current gear and buy a D800, a 24-70 2.8 and a 70-200 2.8 VR II, instead of upgrading to a 5D MkIII and then buying the equivalent Canon lenses.

That's still a pretty expensive setup. I'm not seeing you saving any money really.

I think I could give reasons why a pixel peeping landscape photographer would want to switch to Nikon all day long...but I'm just not seeing it for you.


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Jul 18, 2013 17:23 |  #110

maximus_73 wrote in post #16131815 (external link)
Since you also shoot sports... before you upgrade ask yourself following questions:

1. Autofocus D800 vs. 7D
2. Frame rate D800 vs 7D
3. High ISO D800 vs 7D

if D800 has at least 2/3 better than 7D, than switching is relevant.

If you mainly shoot sports, why are you even looking at the D800? That's the one area the D800 is emphatically not good at.

The AF tracking is up there with the best (D800, 1Dx and D4 AF tracking are comparable; I'd probably rate the 5D3's AF as marginally slower, but just as accurate). The high-ISO performance is also fine, only slightly behind the 5D3 (at ISO 12800 and higher) and a bit behind the 1Dx (and you get twice the pixels to play with). But, at 4fps, you'll be playing the sniper, going for single, timed shots, rather than shooting off a burst of 10 frames when it looks like something interesting is happening.

Go for the 1Dx or D4 and don't look back. Or, for a cheaper option, to give yourself more lens money, I'd look at the D3s (probably the previous king of fast action, and a full-frame body, before being dethroned by the 1Dx).




  
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Jul 18, 2013 18:40 |  #111

maximus_73 wrote in post #16131815 (external link)
Since you also shoot sports... before you upgrade ask yourself following questions:

1. Autofocus D800 vs. 7D
2. Frame rate D800 vs 7D
3. High ISO D800 vs 7D

if D800 has at least 2/3 better than 7D, than switching is relevant.

What about the D7100?




  
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Jul 18, 2013 19:02 |  #112

Everyone can list all the different points, but have you thought about renting one or both of them to see if you'll really be happy with the move to Nikon or even the 5D3 if you stayed? It might cost you a couple hundred dollars, but when you are talking about investing into one or the other, I think it's worth evaluating in person.


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Jul 18, 2013 19:07 |  #113

Shadowblade wrote in post #16132633 (external link)
The AF tracking is up there with the best (D800, 1Dx and D4 AF tracking are comparable; I'd probably rate the 5D3's AF as marginally slower, but just as accurate).

Everyone else always claims the 5D3 as being faster than the D800. I've shot both with their 70-200 2.8 IS/VR II equivalents, but I never really noticed any speed difference. Next time I have the 70-200 for the Nikon, I'll pay more attention.


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Jul 18, 2013 19:19 |  #114

code137 wrote in post #16132913 (external link)
Everyone else always claims the 5D3 as being faster than the D800. I've shot both with their 70-200 2.8 IS/VR II equivalents, but I never really noticed any speed difference. Next time I have the 70-200 for the Nikon, I'll pay more attention.

Having used both to track pet rats (coloured/patterned rats, which provide more for the AF to lock onto than brown/black/grey varieties), sugar gliders and parakeets, it seems that the Canon produces more out-of-focus shots in AI servo mode, using both centre and peripheral points. These tests took place across a wide variety of backgrounds in varying lighting - sky and trees (pet parakeets in free flight), wooden branches with a busy, leaf-and-stick background and the occasional intervening tree (sugar gliders) and gravel, carpet, linoleum and occasional electric wires (rats). Can't comment on the number of keepers, though - I was doing it as an AF test and looked for the most difficult subjects I could find (much more difficult than sports, planes or horses, since the distances are closer and require much more movement of the AF), with no regard for actual artistic composition.

Not that the Canon wasn't just as accurate in its focus - just that, in the most difficult situations, it seemed to have trouble keeping up with the pace. Keeping up at 4fps is probably a bit less demanding than 6fps, though.




  
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Jul 18, 2013 19:21 |  #115

Southswede wrote in post #16132851 (external link)
What about the D7100?

Why would the OP do that?

Despite having a better sensor, the D7100 isn't even in the same class of cameras as the 7D or D300s, let alone the full-frame cameras. It's good, but strictly prosumer.

I'd guess that this isn't a case of moving to Nikon just for the sake of moving to Nikon - it's to get access to a higher level of capability than the OP is getting from his current gear.




  
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Jul 18, 2013 19:57 |  #116

Man, all this sensor tech talk (well, A/D conversion, according to Shadow) really bums me out. I couldn't resist the 6D pricing when it came down to mortal levels earlier this year. But given I'm so into landscapes and other outdoor tripoded work at base ISO, the D600 simply makes a lot more sense for around the same cost. It's just a bloody shame Nikon refuses to make affordable f/4 non-IS equivalents to lenses like the 17-40L and 70-200L. To be frank, if they released those Nikkor lenses tomorrow in the $600-800 segment, I'd probably have my 6D up for sale immediately. But they won't.

Side benefit of this whole sensor debacle: I've started dabbling more in star and milky way photography at night, partially so I feel like I'm taking advantage of Canon's strength. :D


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Jul 18, 2013 19:57 |  #117

code137 wrote in post #16132913 (external link)
Everyone else always claims the 5D3 as being faster than the D800. I've shot both with their 70-200 2.8 IS/VR II equivalents, but I never really noticed any speed difference. Next time I have the 70-200 for the Nikon, I'll pay more attention.

The only lens that gave me trouble was the 50 1.8 G. Other lenses like the 14-24 G, 24-70 G, 70-200 VR II, and 85 1.4 G were excellent in locking AF. :)




  
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Jul 18, 2013 20:05 |  #118

brettjrob wrote in post #16133020 (external link)
Man, all this sensor tech talk (well, A/D conversion, according to Shadow) really bums me out. I couldn't resist the 6D pricing when it came down to mortal levels earlier this year. But given I'm so into landscapes and other outdoor tripoded work at base ISO, the D600 simply makes a lot more sense for around the same cost. It's just a bloody shame Nikon refuses to make affordable f/4 non-IS equivalents to lenses like the 17-40L and 70-200L. To be frank, if they released those Nikkor lenses tomorrow in the $600-800 segment, I'd probably have my 6D up for sale immediately. But they won't.

Side benefit of this whole sensor debacle: I've started dabbling more in star and milky way photography at night, partially so I feel like I'm taking advantage of Canon's strength. :D

Nikon's D600 and D800/E can shoot the milky way as well. Don't let the masses tell you it's not capable. ;)
One of my favorite landscape photographers to date. Shot with the D800E.
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Jul 18, 2013 20:10 |  #119

jdizzle wrote in post #16133041 (external link)
Nikon's D600 and D800/E can shoot the milky way as well. Don't let the masses tell you it's not capable. ;)
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Yeah, certainly not trying to claim they can't. As I understand, Canon has a slight edge at high ISO, whereas Nikon has a big edge at low ISO. Still figure I might as well push the capabilities of the body I own wherever it excels.


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Jul 18, 2013 20:31 |  #120

brettjrob wrote in post #16133060 (external link)
Yeah, certainly not trying to claim they can't. As I understand, Canon has a slight edge at high ISO, whereas Nikon has a big edge at low ISO. Still figure I might as well push the capabilities of the body I own wherever it excels.

I've actually printed high ISOs from all the current Canons and Nikons. And I did not see any big gargantuan leap from either camp. This is where they're in a draw imo. Canon has a great camera line but, I cringe at their low ISO performance.




  
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