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Sigma astonishes the world again: 18-35mm f/1.8

 
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Jul 24, 2013 11:17 |  #91

Mr. Reichner, thanks for asking that question. I didn't understand the statement, either.




  
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Jul 24, 2013 11:21 |  #92

Tom Reichner wrote in post #16149861 (external link)
Envy? I do not understand that statement. Are you suggesting that I am envious of something? If so, what is it that you think I am envious of?

Sorry, I just assumed you were a FF only shooter based on your comments. Still I don't feel you are giving due credit for Sigma releasing the 18-35 especially at only $800. Sure a much larger and much more expensive FF edition could be done, and I am sure some people wouldn't mind the weight, but lets be honest a FF 18-35 is going to weigh more than a 70-200/2.8 and that's going to turn a lot of people off to the idea.


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Jul 24, 2013 11:25 |  #93

FEChariot wrote in post #16149779 (external link)
You have a nice flickr btw. Still I don't follow this. You shot that with a 7D and 24L, but had you had a 6D and a Sigma 35/1.4 (Which would have cost roughly the same), you could have gotten the same shot with a much sharper and cleaner image.

At the time neither the 6D nor S35 were out, so no, I couldn't have :P


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Jul 24, 2013 12:07 |  #94

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16148132 (external link)
:rolleyes:

You guys think I'm some dumb idiot who spend 10k on lenses and only shoot charts:o

I know we have our differences, but come on.

You said it.




  
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Jul 24, 2013 12:19 |  #95

Charlie wrote in post #16149781 (external link)
you can always get a better range like the 17-50, or 15-85.... of course they come with penalties as well, but it's good to have options. If canon/sigma/tamron made a 24-50mm F1.8 for FF, i'de be all over it. IMO, the wide to normal perspective is a very drastic change, despite short zoom factor, and that would win me over.

I'm okay with a short zoom factor, and your theoretical 24-50mm f1.8 for FF is something I would be all over as well (since I also use a 5Dc). The difference is that 24-50mm is not an equivalent range to this Sigma (28.8-56mm would be the FF equivalent). The 24-50mm example you provided would be more appealing due to the ~5mm difference on the wide end.

28.8-56mm is still a relatively drastic change from end to end, but I don't think it would fit my "needs" as readily as the 24-50mm range you mentioned (15-~31mm equiv on crop).

*I do agree, it is nice to have options, whether I capitalize on them or not :)




  
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Jul 24, 2013 12:49 as a reply to  @ post 16149861 |  #96

Some people live a lifestyle where they take clients to play golf, and a chipped Civic is not appropriate. It depends on what you're measuring.

You just made my point. You buy things to impress others people instead of how well they get the job. If you took the time to learn to drive you would do better with the civic then 99% of people can do with a 911. If you took the time to learn photography you could do better with a t2i then most people do with a 5d3.




  
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Jul 24, 2013 12:57 |  #97

What is so special about that lens?!
As far as I know, its for Crop only, that means its effectively a 28-56 f/2.8 (On a FF body)...
There we have the Canon 24-70 f/2.8.

Nothing special.


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Jul 24, 2013 13:01 |  #98

NemethR wrote in post #16150155 (external link)
What is so special about that lens?!
As far as I know, its for Crop only, that means its effectively a 28-56 f/2.8 (On a FF body)...
There we have the Canon 24-70 f/2.8.

Nothing special.

And what other lens in existence can give you that equivalency? Hence why it is absolutely something special.


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Jul 24, 2013 13:03 |  #99

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16148148 (external link)
You can buy a $10,000 used civic, chip it and destroy 911s. That doesn't mean I will pick the civic over Porsche:)

please tell me your not serious that a chipped civic could destroy a 911...


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Jul 24, 2013 13:04 |  #100

LostArk wrote in post #16149897 (external link)
At the time neither the 6D nor S35 were out, so no, I couldn't have :P

The 18-35 didn't exist then either. However, you are making comments on current lenses saying the 24L is better than the 18-35 here in the present. So to reply to your "I'd take the 24L over the 18-35" comment, I'm saying neither option is as good as the 6D and S35 in situations like your example.


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Jul 24, 2013 13:17 |  #101

NemethR wrote in post #16150155 (external link)
What is so special about that lens?!
As far as I know, its for Crop only, that means its effectively a 28-56 f/2.8 (On a FF body)...
There we have the Canon 24-70 f/2.8.

Nothing special.

I think what is special about this lens is exactly what it is: effetively a 24-70 f/2.8L II designed for crop-body shooters. Sigma is turning out an excellent product, at an excellent price, in an area where Canon has chosen not to compete. You can betcherbippy that the Canon boardroom thinks it is special.




  
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Jul 24, 2013 13:28 |  #102

MotorPro wrote in post #16150134 (external link)
You just made my point. You buy things to impress others people instead of how well they get the job.


What if impressing others is part of the job? Am I going to make a $15 million dollar investment based on the word of a guy who takes me golfing in a chipped Civic? No, I am not.

What if winning track races is part of the job? What if maintaining a warranty is part of the job? What if you drive in snow in the winter? What if I have so much money that the $90,000 price difference between a chipped Civic and a 911 doesn't mean anything to my way of life or financial plans?

The reason Porsche has been making and selling the 911 for 50 (!) years is because it makes perfect sense to some customers. There are always going to be cheaper cars that can achieve a handful of its performance stats, but anything that matches or bests it 1:1 is going to be similarly priced.

The reason Canon sells lenses with red rings for 3x as much as "comparable" Sigmas is because they make sense to some customers.

MotorPro wrote in post #16150134 (external link)
If you took the time to learn to drive you would do better with the civic then 99% of people can do with a 911. If you took the time to learn photography you could do better with a t2i then most people do with a 5d3.

Better skills? Better equipment?

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emu248mafia wrote in post #16150163 (external link)
please tell me your not serious that a chipped civic could destroy a 911...

Maybe a '63 911 that needs work?


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Jul 24, 2013 13:59 |  #103

waterrockets wrote in post #16150240 (external link)
but anything that matches or bests it 1:1 is going to be similarly priced.

And some people buy an Evo for 40k that beats the 911 around the track. Everything else aside, that doesn't take away from the fact that the 40k Evo wins the race any less impressive.

Price tag does *not* equal quality; but it doesn't preclude it either.


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Jul 24, 2013 14:05 |  #104

Guys... We're nearly 8 pages in and still talking anout cars??? Can we please stay on topic? This thread I about a lens; not cars. Let it go. You're just provoking him more and more.


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Jul 24, 2013 14:05 |  #105

MotorPro wrote in post #16150134 (external link)
Some people live a lifestyle where they take clients to play golf, and a chipped Civic is not appropriate. It depends on what you're measuring.

You just made my point. You buy things to impress others people instead of how well they get the job. If you took the time to learn to drive you would do better with the civic then 99% of people can do with a 911. If you took the time to learn photography you could do better with a t2i then most people do with a 5d3.

You need to realize that for some people they need to impress clients to land big deals. Representation is the key. Clients see that they're dealing with a legit person with a successful business/career (hence the nice car/tastes etc...) because you can only really get these nice things if you are successful which means you are at your best.

About the "Highly Tuned Economy Car A= Showroom Stock Expensive Performance Car B". Car A might beat Car B in the stoplight drags, highway rolls, autocross etc..., a tuned car isn't something you set and forget, there are stuff you constantly need to monitor (oil, coolant, A/F's or tune changing with weather, emissions, etc...). Don't believe me? I've owned several highly tuned cars, one of which is a highly boosted S2000 that decimates the likes of AMG C63's, E60 M5's, 911's etc... What I can tell you is the amount of work to get it to that level and enjoy it as a daily driver is not as fun as driving my current E92 M3.

BTW, most of the stuff I learned was with an XTi.


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