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Jul 27, 2013 23:45 |  #1

Hello, considering buying 85L for portraits....I get decent bokeh with my 70-200 2.8 but not sure if there's a big difference in bokeh between the two lenses. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!




  
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Jul 28, 2013 00:29 |  #2

The lens sample photo archive should have a ton of portraiture from both lenses. You should look there to see if it's worth the purchase. I would recommend looking at the 135L as well, assuming it's not too long.




  
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Jul 28, 2013 00:53 |  #3

In terms of amount of blur, 200mm at f2.8 and 85mm at f1.2 are similar, but due to the perspective difference for similar framed portraits, the look is very different.


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Jul 28, 2013 01:48 |  #4

tkbslc wrote in post #16159825 (external link)
In terms of amount of blur, 200mm at f2.8 and 85mm at f1.2 are similar, but due to the perspective difference for similar framed portraits, the look is very different.

Yes. And the 200mm is going to be sharper at 2.8 than the 85mm is at 1.2.
The best compromise is probably the 135mm f2..


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Jul 28, 2013 03:48 as a reply to  @ Mornnb's post |  #5

With the same framing the 85 at 1.2 is equal to 70-200 at 200 and 2.8? In terms of blur Amount?




  
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Jul 28, 2013 05:03 |  #6

They can't be compared unfortunately as the perspective is way different

With a far away background the 200mm will look blurrier


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Jul 28, 2013 05:47 |  #7

Mornnb wrote in post #16159910 (external link)
Yes. And the 200mm is going to be sharper at 2.8 than the 85mm is at 1.2.
The best compromise is probably the 135mm f2..

sharpness isn't everything
besides in this case you would probably have to do a 100% crop to see the difference.
Personally I think the best compromise would be sigma 85 f1.4 if the op cant afford the 85L


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Jul 28, 2013 06:30 |  #8

ICarumba wrote in post #16159986 (external link)
With the same framing the 85 at 1.2 is equal to 70-200 at 200 and 2.8? In terms of blur Amount?

Wide open the 85 will have more background blur. I can't comment on the bokeh or quality of the blur between the two though, since I only own one of them.

http://howmuchblur.com ….8-on-a-0.9m-wide-subject (external link)




  
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Jul 28, 2013 08:55 |  #9

Bokeh is not a term meaning smooth background nor little DOF.


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Jul 28, 2013 08:58 |  #10

I like the 85L bokeh more.




  
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Jul 28, 2013 14:22 |  #11

Some examples from POTN

85mm f/1.2 lens
https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=12565528&po​stcount=79
https://photography-on-the.net …?p=12610602&pos​tcount=137
https://photography-on-the.net …?p=12632812&pos​tcount=153

rashkh wrote:
photo archive should have a ton of portraiture from both lenses

Unfortunately most folks don't mention FL setting when they post shots taken with zooms, in the examples archives, so it is hard to get direct comparisons. Ideally, one would compare the two lenses at same FL, to mimic portraiture usage within the fixed confines of a interior shooting space...

70-200 f/2.8 USM (not IS, OP didn't state which one is owned)
https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=6770158&pos​tcount=250
https://photography-on-the.net …?p=10339459&pos​tcount=467
https://photography-on-the.net …?p=12287477&pos​tcount=766
https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=7481478&pos​tcount=276


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Jul 28, 2013 14:27 |  #12

200mm @ f2.8 WON`T produce more background blur then the 85L.

200mm@ f2.8 will produce the same ammount of blur ONLY if the background is far, at more than 300m away from the subject. In ANY other case.. with background closer, 85L will produce much more blur. (see link)

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Jul 28, 2013 14:30 |  #13

+1 on the 135 if its not too long

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Jul 28, 2013 14:35 |  #14

AMOUNT of background blur is only one consideration, 'bokeh' is the QUALITY of blur. Not sure what OP meant in the inquiry 'better bokeh', as the term 'bokeh' is all too often used in the wrong context by folks! Is 'better' meant by OP as 'more blur' (the incorrect common usage), or is 'better' meant to be 'more pleasing' (the proper usage)?


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Jul 28, 2013 14:51 |  #15

I do believe that both 85 1.2 and 135 f2 are better portrait lens than the 70-200.


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