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Jul 29, 2013 19:01 |  #1

Hey, my sig has all of my gear and is updated. As you can see, I need a better Telephoto. The IQ is not cutting it for me. I go to a lot of automotive events and I shoot for a website (for free) and I do some private shoots of cars (paid)

As I travel 5 hours away sometimes to go to an event, I want to come back with high quality images. I didn't want to get a new lens unless I was being limited by my gear (and not the other way around).

I have money saved up, and I can go out and purchase a 70-200 IS II. But since I am not making that much money, nor getting paid for these events (unless people buy prints, which is rare) But I am into photography more than anything and it's the biggest hobby I have ever been so committed to. I shoot whenever I can, wherever I am.

My question is, is there glass that I should get otherwise? Something below a 70-200? I would like to convert it to a FF body when it's time for me to do so.


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Jul 29, 2013 19:09 |  #2

100-400L 4.5-5.6
135L 2.0
200L 2.8
300L 4.0

70-200 would be most versitile, and given its 2.8. a TC would work well for the extra reach if needed... But also most expensive.

Have fun deciding :-)


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Jul 29, 2013 19:12 |  #3

Keedo wrote in post #16164780 (external link)
Hey, my sig has all of my gear and is updated. As you can see, I need a better Telephoto. The IQ is not cutting it for me. I go to a lot of automotive events and I shoot for a website (for free) and I do some private shoots of cars (paid)

As I travel 5 hours away sometimes to go to an event, I want to come back with high quality images. I didn't want to get a new lens unless I was being limited by my gear (and not the other way around).

I have money saved up, and I can go out and purchase a 70-200 IS II. But since I am not making that much money, nor getting paid for these events (unless people buy prints, which is rare) But I am into photography more than anything and it's the biggest hobby I have ever been so committed to. I shoot whenever I can, wherever I am.

My question is, is there glass that I should get otherwise? Something below a 70-200? I would like to convert it to a FF body when it's time for me to do so.

Hard to say since only you know exactly what how you will shoot.
70-200 2.8 IS II is great
70-300L is great, longer but slower
tamron 70-300 VC is a much less expensive way to do decently if certainly not as well as the above two




  
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Jul 29, 2013 19:14 |  #4

Take a look at the 135L, and if you still need reach after than the 200 2.8L, or a 300 (I have a 135L and a 300 f2.8; I never pick up my 70-200 f4L anymore, and don't feel lacking a gap in the middle). After getting to use the 70-200 2.8L IS MkII, I decided that while the convenience of the zoom in the 70-200 was nice, I'd be happier with the prime. The cost of both is typically under that of the zoom, and there's been a few threads lately which cover the IQ. I know there's quite a few examples of automotive photos in the 135L sample thread.

There's also the non-IS Canon, and the Sigma and Tamron offerings (both of which are good lenses but IME a little bit softer compared to the Canon's but still 90% of the lens for 70% of the price).


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Jul 29, 2013 19:59 |  #5

The T3i would mate well with a 70-200 2.8. I use my T2i with a Tamron 70-200, and while teh auto focus is garbage, the image quality and reach are fantastic. I can only imagine how pleasant using a Canon 70-200 2.8 would be... I say 70-200


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Jul 29, 2013 20:09 |  #6

Keedo, have you considered the 70-200mm f/4 IS L? Reviews have been favorable, it cost effective, and should you feel the need to upgrade, you can resell at little to no depreciation in value. Good luck in your purchase.

I personally had the f/2.8 II and regret selling it. Am looking forward to purchasing another.


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Jul 29, 2013 20:24 |  #7

The 70-200 is a very versital lens. The f2.8 incarnations of it will be quite a bit heavier then you're used to though so just remember that.

If you want a 70-200 then there are a lot of different versions and manufactors to pick from. There's the canon f4, f4 IS, f2.8, f2.8 IS II, then sigma f2.8 OS, and the tamron f2.8 VC. Not to mention all the older versions that you can find in the used market.




  
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Jul 29, 2013 22:19 |  #8

Don't forget the magic drainpipe,Canon 80-200 2.8L, slightly slower focusing. But bang for you buck (around £350.00 s/h) a fantastic lens.




  
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Jul 30, 2013 00:13 |  #9

I love my 70-200 non-IS f4L. It's my favorite lens! I bought mine used from my daughter who upgraded to a 70-200 IS f2.8L lens. If I were to buy one new, I'd get the 70-200 IS f4L. I love the size and weight compared to the f2.8. Go to your local camera shop and try them all or rent one for the weekend and then decide for yourself. Have fun shopping for toys!


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Jul 30, 2013 00:28 |  #10

Can you be a little more specific as to what you mean by "high quality images"? What is it that your current photos are lacking?

Some of it can be solved with "L" glass, but some of it may require going FF. So if you don't mind elaborating, what are you specifically looking for that you're not currently getting?


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Jul 30, 2013 04:05 |  #11

Mate, the shots on your flickr are awesome... you obviously know how to use the gear you've got. One comment I would make though is that to drag the shutter you're shooting up to f22 sometimes, which will be one of the reasons your images aren't as sharp as they could be - I would consider investing in a decent ND filter before you dump all your money on the 70-200 mk2.

Don't get me wrong, the images from the 70-200 mk2 will almost certainly "pop" more than the 55-250, however, I'm really not sure you'll get £1750 (US equivalent obviously) more "pop". Also, as you're never shooting wide open, do you really need 2.8? The f4 IS is lovely and sharp and virtually half the price and weight. Just my two cents worth :)


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Jul 30, 2013 04:17 |  #12

you're going to love the 70-200 MK2, for many years to come.


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Jul 30, 2013 05:09 |  #13

Dude you are good!

I would say get an ND filter and a CPL filter. Shooting a f/22 can give you diffraction issues causing softness.
I bought the 70-200 f/4 it's light which makes using it at the track all day a breeze! I bought mine second hand and got it for £350.

What you have is doing you well, maybe a longer prime like a 300m f/4 would be nice. I know it is what I am considering next.


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Jul 30, 2013 05:27 |  #14

Keedo wrote in post #16164780 (external link)
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My question is, is there glass that I should get otherwise? Something below a 70-200? I would like to convert it to a FF body when it's time for me to do so.

A long story short, the 70-200 2.8 IS II is wort every penny.
Its heavy, but in a good backpack, its not that much of an issue, I carry it with me sometimes all day, no problems.

But if you go FF, you will loose the option to mount the 18-55 to the camera, not sure about the sigma.

So, you should get a 24-105, or 24-70 to have the (more or less) same zoom range.
Now if you don't use this range that often, maybe a used 28-105, or a new 28-135 IS is good too.


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Jul 30, 2013 10:59 |  #15

I looked at your Flickr site to see what type of shots you're taking now and a few things came to mind (BTW, you have some very nice shots on Flickr). You are currently using a crop camera and the 55-250 for most of your panning shots and when I checked the exif data, many were taken at the longer end of your 55-250mm. Won't you miss the 200-250mm range if you go with a 70-200 and if you do decide to go to full frame, won't losing the crop factor be even more of an issue?

I'd give some more thought to why you think FF would be advantageous for the type of shooting you're currently doing and also the focal range that would meet your needs before making any serious investments. BTW, judging by the apertures used on most of your panning shots, I don't see why you think an f/2.8 lens would be necessary.


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