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Jul 26, 2013 20:00 |  #1

I'd like to find a less expensive fast (2.8) wide prime to use backpacking for taking landscape shots. Lighter weight would be a good thing. I don't want to take my 17-40L. From my research, it seems the MF lenses are less expensive. The Oly 28/2.8 and 28/2 seem like popular suggestions. Question though - are there AF versions of theses lenses? I've noticed some of these on ebay have "auto" in the title description. I'm not sure what that refers to. Any other suggestions for some fast MF wide primes for FF? Anything in the 20 mm-30 mm range.


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Jul 26, 2013 20:35 |  #2

I'm interested in finding a decent less expensive wide manual prime as well, although I have to say that the 17-40 is pretty light and a good backpacking companion.


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Jul 26, 2013 20:41 |  #3
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What else but Samyang 14mm....


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Jul 26, 2013 20:43 |  #4

Jeff81 wrote in post #16156884 (external link)
I'd like to find a less expensive fast (2.8) wide prime to use backpacking for taking landscape shots. Lighter weight would be a good thing. I don't want to take my 17-40L. From my research, it seems the MF lenses are less expensive. The Oly 28/2.8 and 28/2 seem like popular suggestions. Question though - are there AF versions of theses lenses? I've noticed some of these on ebay have "auto" in the title description. I'm not sure what that refers to. Any other suggestions for some fast MF wide primes for FF? Anything in the 20 mm-30 mm range.

If you're seeing Auto in the description, it probably has to do with stopping down with compatible bodies. On your Canon, they would be fully manual - focus and aperture (stop-down metering). Question - are you going to be going for max DoF most of the time? I have a little Oly and I mostly aim for the hyperfocal, so I don't really MF through the VF (I have a hard time MFing a WA lens, but YMMV), I just use the scale.


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Jul 26, 2013 20:44 |  #5

kin2son wrote in post #16156960 (external link)
What else but Samyang 14mm....

Oh, maybe something in the 20-30mm range, per the OP...


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Jul 26, 2013 20:48 |  #6

The auto setting is usually for auto aperture. MF lenses are less expensive due to mainly mechanical parts and no electronics. This does not mean they are bad performers. Some brands like Zeiss or Leica are renown for the special look of the images taken with them.
I would recommend sticking with the know performers - Ashai Pentax M42 lenses, the Oly series, some of the Vivitar Series 1 and Tamron SP are also quite good. A quick Google search will turn up reviews. Remember there is a learning curve forgetting the full potential out of manual lenses.
There is also an existing thread in the forum where members have reported their lenses of choice....https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1228845


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Jul 26, 2013 20:52 |  #7

I love my Zeiss Contax 28mm/2.8. Very sharp, contrasty, beautiful color, compact, MF works well on the chipped adapter I have, no metering or mirror issues on the 5D mkii, around $300ish. MUCH better than decent. On the Zuiko lenses "Auto" refers to aperture operation on the Olympus bodies they were made for. Nothing is auto with these lenses on EOS. I have a Zuiko 21mm/3.5, it is in the decent category, incredibly compact and light, not terribly cheap.

On an ultrawide note, I recently picked up a Tokina 17mm/3.5 for $275 and it is a nice alternative to 17-40 at the wide end. Auto focus, fully auto, small, light, sharper in the corners, CA but correctable. A very pleasant surprise that will delay the day I spend too much money for something huge and expensive.


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Jul 26, 2013 21:29 |  #8

Well I found a good deal on an Oly 24 f/2.8 on ebay so I jumped on it. So, new question. Adapters. Is there a difference in quality between them? What should I look for? Also, is the focus confirmation chip worth it to get focus close?


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Jul 26, 2013 22:03 as a reply to  @ Jeff81's post |  #9

I have had good luck with adapters from 'bay seller big_is. He sells adapters with and without AF confirm chips, and for 28mm with a standard focusing screen in the 6D I would get an adapter with the AF confirm chip as focusing 28mm/2.8 on the standard screen accurately is not always so easy. Live view is the best. Or hyperfocal, though if you are picky, counting on depth of field to cover out of focus is not really optimum. And focusing on a modern dslr with a bright screen is not like focusing on an old manual focus film slr with a fully silvered mirror and precision focusing screen.

Other sellers I have tried have had less consistent results- problems with chips, too thick to reach infinity, loose fit and so forth. I have used his adapters on Contax, Zuiko and Nikon lenses with good results.


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Jul 26, 2013 22:12 |  #10

Jeff81 wrote in post #16157055 (external link)
Well I found a good deal on an Oly 28 f/2.8 on ebay so I jumped on it. So, new question. Adapters. Is there a difference in quality between them? What should I look for? Also, is the focus confirmation chip worth it to get focus close?

I bought a basic adapter with focus confirm from this seller ~2 years ago
and it seems to work ok.

http://www.ebay.ca …Tubes&hash=item​27d1b4aeb6 (external link)

Have fun with the oly 28/2.8!




  
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Jul 26, 2013 22:17 as a reply to  @ AstroNewbie's post |  #11

Yup, that's the one.


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Jul 30, 2013 19:50 |  #12

Zeiss 21mm lenses are going for a steal on ebay used.

the quality you get for usually around $1200-$1400 is awesome.


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Jul 31, 2013 00:17 |  #13

Doc Fluty wrote in post #16168099 (external link)
Zeiss 21mm lenses are going for a steal on ebay used.

the quality you get for usually around $1200-$1400 is awesome.

^^^ Agreed. I sold mine and bought a used Canon 16-35mm f/2.8 II because I wanted the focal range. That was a big mistake. Don't get me wrong the 16-35 II past f/5.6 is quite sharp side to side but it just doesn't have that "Zeiss thing" that you really can't describe but you know it when you see it. I'm saving for a Zeiss 21mm and Samyang 14mm to replace the 16-35 II I recently sold (or maybe the Nikon 12-24mm f/2.8 with adapter).




  
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Jul 31, 2013 04:20 |  #14

Having the Olympus 24mm f/2.8, I confirm you that this lens is a very light & good wide angle. Better than the Canon EF 24mm f/2.8 I owned some years ago : the Olympus is sharp enough at f/2.8.

The only drawback for me is the number of diaphragm blades - 6 - which is a pity for night shots or bokeh.

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Jul 31, 2013 13:20 |  #15

Oly 24/2.8, Oly 21/2(not cheap), Oly 21/3.5

Those are the top of my recommendations...in order.


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