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ZoranC
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Jul 31, 2013 23:14 |  #2131

tetrode wrote in post #16171237 (external link)
For those who may be interested, I see that Edward has updated his CheetahStand website with the CL-180/CL-360 accessories.

Thank you! I just went and ordered some 2-to-1 cables and battery holders, but honestly I am disappointed with 9' extension cable. I was hoping for shorter version of 15' cable, direct replacement, not an extension, and 1-to-2 splitter head kills it for me.




  
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Aug 01, 2013 00:29 |  #2132

ZoranC wrote in post #16171541 (external link)
but honestly I am disappointed with 9' extension cable. I was hoping for shorter version of 15' cable, direct replacement

I'm surprised you guys haven't been jumping up and down about this earlier. Maybe other people thought the 9' cord was going to be a regular straight cord as well.

A simple straight cable seems like the obvious need. 8 ' (2.4M) I would think would be more than enough.

I think they should add a few feet of straight cord to each end of the standard coiled cord as well.
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Aug 01, 2013 01:32 as a reply to  @ post 16171531 |  #2133

Csae wrote in post #16170961 (external link)
What happened to the POTN guy who was making these ?

He is still here, I need to hit him up

BigIronCruiser wrote in post #16171019 (external link)
Sure, as long as it looks like a dress and it's smocked;)

I can live with this haha

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LOL

I am glad some one liked the joke :D


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Aug 01, 2013 02:48 |  #2134

dmward wrote in post #16170710 (external link)
I've been hoping for the same thing -- a website where we can all admire the great pictures he's made with his trusty QFlashes.

Well, go have a look - but don't expect pages of personal projects, happy snaps and equipment tests.. I actually use my stuff.

Neither expect lists of equipment.. These are just images from paying customers.

Start here (external link)


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Aug 01, 2013 03:23 as a reply to  @ PhotographersWorldWide's post |  #2135

Hi Guys,

long time lurker here, first time poster. Ive been watching this thread since first day and because of it and reading all the good reviews , i have purchased the Godox AD-180 Flash and the battery pack(same flash as the Cheetah, just branded differently) . I have used it on 3 small shoots and am loving it compared to my Quantum T5dr. I also bought the wireless triggers and adjusting the power from the camera is a godsend not relying on "Line of sight"as with my Quantum set up.

My battery was down to the last blue light after so many shots, so i took the charger out last night to put her on charge. When i connected the charger to AC outlet and then to battery , the led on the charger was still green. So i left it on charge for 3 and a bit hours. When i turn on the battery after 3 hrs , battery still only shows 1 blue power light
I tried a different AC outlet today, same result.

I do have quantum turbo batteries which i can use, but i really liked the Propac for the amount of pops it gave me per full charge.

Just wondering if anybody has had this issue, and what could be my problem ?

Thanks Nick.




  
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Aug 01, 2013 06:47 |  #2136

ZoranC wrote in post #16171541 (external link)
Thank you! I just went and ordered some 2-to-1 cables and battery holders, but honestly I am disappointed with 9' extension cable. I was hoping for shorter version of 15' cable, direct replacement, not an extension, and 1-to-2 splitter head kills it for me.

Zoran: Not difficult to cut the centre out of a standard 5 metre extension and splice the cut ends together - it's only 3 wires matched colour to same colour. Don't forget to slip the polyolefin shrink tubing on before you start to solder them back together. Yes, I did - so here's a chance to learn from my mistake. I totally agree, though, that it shouldn't be necessary to DIY parts. Then again, the system has only been on the market for 7 months so things are still growing & evolving quite rapidly.

On the battery clamps, have you noticed the threaded hole for a suitable hook for hanging your surplus cable on?

elv wrote in post #16171666 (external link)
I'm surprised you guys haven't been jumping up and down about this earlier. Maybe other people thought the 9' cord was going to be a regular straight cord as well.
A simple straight cable seems like the obvious need. 8 ' (2.4M) I would think would be more than enough.
I think they should add a few feet of straight cord to each end of the standard coiled cord as well.

NOT direct from Godox (2nd or 3rd hand depending on how you read it), I understand that the issue of shorter-than-5-metre extension cords was raised at the outset and evoked no response whatsoever from Godox. I can envisage the occasional need for a 5m length, but half that amount would be much more useful as a starting point. I posted one possible solution here back in June, with a supplementary post here.
This (external link) is the result of a little light butchery on my part.
This gave me:-


  1. A 2.5m extension cable with original plugs on either end.
  2. The original 5 metre cable, but with some joints.
  3. The option to string together an unmodded 5m extension and some of my bits for an even longer cable if ever need (not that I've needed it yet though).
  4. A variable length extension for my Cx Canon-fit cables.
All for less than the cost of one Quantum cable which would offer very considerably less versatility.



--oo0oo--

I also took the opportunity to mod the plugs and sockets to make them more user-friendly. I hadn't even noticed the self-coloured marks moulded into some, not all, of the sockets so they're obvously crying out for development. Tiny plastic pips inserted into the sides of plugs, beside sockets and into the ends of flash-end plugs gave both tactile and visual orientation aids. Although the pips are very small, the improvement in handling is immeasurably beyond what their size would suggest. If anyone wants to emulate, PM me for more details - the pips are singularly not easy to find as 3 of us on 2 continents discovered but I've managed to buy ( retail :cry: ouch) a small number. First come, first served cos there won't be any more.


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Aug 01, 2013 08:39 |  #2137

PhotographersWorldWide wrote in post #16171830 (external link)
Well, go have a look - but don't expect pages of personal projects, happy snaps and equipment tests.. I actually use my stuff.

Neither expect lists of equipment.. These are just images from paying customers.

Start here (external link)


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Aug 01, 2013 08:49 |  #2138

PhotographersWorldWide wrote in post #16171830 (external link)
Well, go have a look - but don't expect pages of personal projects, happy snaps and equipment tests.. I actually use my stuff.

Neither expect lists of equipment.. These are just images from paying customers.

Start here (external link)


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I took a look at all of the images. Seems to me that you work for a consortium of photographers so no one can really tell what is your work. Regardless, I did not see a single image that could not have been taken with the Cheetah system. Or a cheap speed light system for that matter. Where are the images that, in your words:

"Perhaps the "new barebulb flash" with its lack of "features" is a niche product? It certainly wouldn't cut the mustard on sports events, or any time critical event involving changing light conditions where the choice of the photographer would be a TTL flash function or maybe a shutter priority camera function, but if you only use your lights in a limited environment - then you may well be fine, until one of those other occasions occurs."

You preach about the virtues of a system that perhaps is really overkill for the kind of work you do.


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Aug 01, 2013 09:03 as a reply to  @ jcolman's post |  #2139

You obviously didn't look very far. Theres Commercial, Industrial, Magazine, Advertising, Sports Events, Weddings, Conferences, and Architectural work all there.

Don't be mislead by thinking I'm part of a consortium - all the work is mine.

What I like about Quantum equipment is that it does WHATEVER I need it to do depending on the subject and not just my preconceived ideas of what I might want. Some of the obvious examples include Shutter Priority fill working in an exclusion zone and night photography of open water swimming events using TTL.

I've worked through all the manual only flash equipment with on-camera OEM TTL speedlights with radios attached - and it's just a work around.




  
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Aug 01, 2013 09:06 |  #2140

PhotographersWorldWide wrote in post #16172293 (external link)
You obviously didn't look very far.

Actually I did. I saw some of the "sporting events" coverage, as well as some of the other "events". But instead of me digging thru all that mess, why don't you post up some examples where the only flash that could have possibly worked, was the Q flash.

I'll wait.


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Aug 01, 2013 09:34 |  #2141

PWW thank you for posting the link. I didn't expect that of you. And forgive my email, i had to check.

I guess where my amazement lies is in the disconnect that a seemingly consummate professional from an imagery standpoint can behold such a brash and troll-like immature nature on photography forums.

Color me surprised. I guess that's the beauty of life, everyday we learn something new.




  
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Aug 01, 2013 11:05 as a reply to  @ symbolphoto's post |  #2142

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We're talking equipment here. Thats - bits of plastic and metal which does stuff. Some stuff does things better than other stuff.

I'm not emotionally connected to my gear and I even give Quantum manufacturers $h1t if that doesn't perform as required, and because I've 'been there and done that' and needed to work out solutions for myself I have a pretty good understanding about what's required, what works and what doesn't work.

What you might consider to be troll-like I consider to be factual representation and I vehemently oppose claims made by any manufacturer or commentator or other photographers if claims are not lived up to or the thing just doesn't work or make sense.

I'd much rather somebody buys stuff fully knowing limitations than committing to some other persons exuberance in their new toy.




  
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Aug 01, 2013 11:09 |  #2143

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We're talking equipment here. Thats - bits of plastic and metal which does stuff. Some stuff does things better than other stuff.

I'm not emotionally connected to my gear and I even give Quantum manufacturers $h1t if that doesn't perform as required, and because I've 'been there and done that' and needed to work out solutions for myself I have a pretty good understanding about what's required, what works and what doesn't work.

What you might consider to be troll-like I consider to be factual representation and I vehemently oppose claims made by any manufacturer or commentator or other photographers if claims are not lived up to or the thing just doesn't work or make sense.

I'd much rather somebody buys stuff fully knowing limitations than committing to some other persons exuberance in their new toy.

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Aug 01, 2013 11:27 |  #2144

PhotographersWorldWide wrote in post #16172612 (external link)
@Symbolphoto
We're talking equipment here. Thats - bits of plastic and metal which does stuff. Some stuff does things better than other stuff.

I'm not emotionally connected to my gear and I even give Quantum manufacturers $h1t if that doesn't perform as required, and because I've 'been there and done that' and needed to work out solutions for myself I have a pretty good understanding about what's required, what works and what doesn't work.

What you might consider to be troll-like I consider to be factual representation and I vehemently oppose claims made by any manufacturer or commentator or other photographers if claims are not lived up to or the thing just doesn't work or make sense.

I'd much rather somebody buys stuff fully knowing limitations than committing to some other persons exuberance in their new toy.

Ian,
I appreciate your candor about why you believe your activity here isn't troll like. My reaction is that you seem to not give other photographers credit for also "...needing to work out solutions for themselves, and having a pretty good understanding about what's required, what works and what doesn't work."

If you truly want to contribute and help someone "buy stuff fully knowing limitations" then, in my opinion, you'd get much farther by first understanding that many of us who have tested Cheetah Lights, and are now using them in productive work, do understand what works for us and are sharing our experiences. I can't afford to buy "toys", I do search out and acquire tools that help me get my work accomplished for paying customers.

Spent a bit of time wondering around your website. There are lots of images that could have been shot with Quantum and about a dozen other type of strobe, including Cheetah Lights. Had trouble finding anything that demanded a really unique lighting solution. Lots of nice images but nothing that could be accomplished with most any proper equipment.

That was a nice collection of what looked like Profoto power packs in the studio shot.


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