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Use of ND or CPL for Trip?

 
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Aug 02, 2013 11:06 |  #1

Hello all! So I've read the two sticky posts on what ND and CPL do. Warning - I'm pretty new to photography still. (6 mo) Anyways I'm about to go on a trip to Utah and Yosemite. Was wondering for those who have been if I need one if these filters for my 15-85mm that will be my main lens there. Talking to a friend yesterday and mentioned I might look into a filter for those crazy sunny days hiking thru Utah. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you!


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Aug 02, 2013 11:43 |  #2

frantifan91 wrote in post #16175433 (external link)
Hello all! So I've read the two sticky posts on what ND and CPL do. Warning - I'm pretty new to photography still. (6 mo) Anyways I'm about to go on a trip to Utah and Yosemite. Was wondering for those who have been if I need one if these filters for my 15-85mm that will be my main lens there. Talking to a friend yesterday and mentioned I might look into a filter for those crazy sunny days hiking thru Utah. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you!

The two filters serve different purposes, and ideally you should have both, especially for landscape/nature photography. The ND filter allows you to use a slower shutter speed in bright light so that you can capture movement in water, etc. The CPL filter will make skies bluer and clouds whiter, and will also remove reflections from water.

If it was me and I had to choose one filter, it would be a good CPL every time.


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Aug 02, 2013 11:51 |  #3

tgara wrote in post #16175536 (external link)
The two filters serve different purposes, and ideally you should have both, especially for landscape/nature photography. The ND filter allows you to use a slower shutter speed in bright light so that you can capture movement in water, etc. The CPL filter will make skies bluer and clouds whiter, and will also remove reflections from water.

If it was me and I had to choose one filter, it would be a good CPL every time.

Great post! Thanks for the help. I think I should go ahead and invest in a CPL and ND. Any reccomendations?


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Aug 02, 2013 12:04 |  #4

frantifan91 wrote in post #16175553 (external link)
Great post! Thanks for the help. I think I should go ahead and invest in a CPL and ND. Any reccomendations?

Well, with filters, you get what you pay for. Good CPLs are not cheap. Most folks here go with B+W or Hoya.... both are good, you cannot go wrong with either. I use the Hoyas myself.

The 15-85 EF-S lens uses a 72mm filter:

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …2_Circular_Pola​rizer.html (external link)

ND filters are sold depending on the degree of filtration you want (1 stop, 2 stops, 3 stops, etc.). If you choose only one, probably go with a 2 or 3 stop:

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …Neutral_Density​_NDX4.html (external link)

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …Neutral_Density​_NDX8.html (external link)

For me, I got a variable ND because I didn't want to schlep around a lot of filters. I got a Singh-Ray Variable. Not cheap, but very good. They don't make one for a 72mm lens though.

http://www.singh-ray.com/varind.html (external link)


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Aug 02, 2013 12:33 |  #5

Check out Vari-ND's too!




  
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Aug 02, 2013 12:37 |  #6

Marumi makes quality filters at more reasonable cost than the big brands that often get linked.

I use this one on my 15-85 with great results: http://www.amazon.com …&keywords=Marum​i+CPL+72mm (external link)

Also, keep in mind that the 15-85 does need slim filters. I got a standard Tiffen initially and it left solid black vignettes at 15-18mm.

You can also often find used filters for about half the price of new. Just check ebay. Make sure to get a decent brand, however.

i.e.: http://www.ebay.com …lters&hash=item​20d5f18231 (external link)


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Aug 02, 2013 12:39 |  #7

andrew00 wrote in post #16175646 (external link)
Check out Vari-ND's too!

Vari ND's don't work well with wide angles, and I have specifically tried it with a 15-85. It makes weirdo X polarization if you crank up the darkening.

Honestly, a CPL itself can do about 2 stops of darkening, so many people don't really need an ND, too.


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Aug 03, 2013 11:51 as a reply to  @ tkbslc's post |  #8

Thank you everyone for all the great replies and suggestions - I think I'm going to go with a CPL first and then get a ND afterwards. I just cannot afford both at this time. I like the Marumi suggestion as that is cheaper. I've been a B W fan with my protective filters when I'm taking dog shots near the water! Great protection when I need em during those splashy times . So I think I will stick with B W. is this a good filter if I chose B W.

http://m.bhphotovideo.​com …ilter&itemcode=​BWKCPMCS72 (external link)


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Aug 03, 2013 12:14 |  #9

I've been in Spain a few weeks ago and have used my CPL a lot. I'd say it has saved many shots giving me blue sky even when shooting at noon, so I'd say it's really worth having one. My CPL is cheap stuff so I had to struggle a bit with white balance from raw files. As someone said "you get what you pay for".
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Aug 03, 2013 13:29 |  #10

frantifan91 wrote in post #16177990 (external link)
Thank you everyone for all the great replies and suggestions - I think I'm going to go with a CPL first and then get a ND afterwards. I just cannot afford both at this time. I like the Marumi suggestion as that is cheaper. I've been a B W fan with my protective filters when I'm taking dog shots near the water! Great protection when I need em during those splashy times . So I think I will stick with B W. is this a good filter if I chose B W.

http://m.bhphotovideo.​com …ilter&itemcode=​BWKCPMCS72 (external link)

That's a great filter, one of the best.

This is the only test I've ever seen on polarizers:

http://www.lenstip.com …_Results_and_su​mmary.html (external link)

The Slim Kasemann scored the best, but it is only a few points ahead of the regular BW slim MRC and the Marumi DHG.


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Aug 03, 2013 18:25 as a reply to  @ tkbslc's post |  #11

Awesome! Great - thank you. I have been reading some trouble with lens hoods and these filters - is that a big deal?


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Aug 03, 2013 18:57 |  #12

Both would be nice, but if you're only going to get one, I'd recommend the polarizer. It will be useful in more different situations than a ND, IMO.

As for the filter and hood combo, yes, the hood can get in the way of adjusting the filter's rotation. That's why I use the rectangular ones with a holder (Lee or Cokin Z series): the holder acts like a hood to block sunlight from the sides, and can protect your lens a bit as well.


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Aug 03, 2013 19:00 |  #13

frantifan91 wrote in post #16178799 (external link)
Awesome! Great - thank you. I have been reading some trouble with lens hoods and these filters - is that a big deal?

It's really hard to rotate the polarizer with most hoods, yes. I normally just use one or the other.


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Aug 04, 2013 14:21 |  #14

Buy your filters in the largest size you think you will need and use step down ring to fit them to smaller lenses... that way you will only have to buy the filter once. I have the 15-85mm too, but also a Sigma 10-20mm which takes a 77mm filter. I bought my polarizer and 10-stop ND filters in the 77mm size so they can be used on all of the lenses I own, including my 100mm macro and 55-250mm (both 58mm threads). Step down rings are cheap ($2 or $3), so it will save you a lot of money in the future if you're planning on buying larger lenses. The only disadvantage to doing it this way is that you may lose the use of your lens hood if you're using the step down ring. I have small fingers so I can fairly easily manipulate a CPL inside a lens hood, even with a 77-72mm step down ring (if you put the hood on first, you can then screw on both the step down ring and the CPL). If you have large fingers you may just have to ditch the lens hood or get a hood that screws directly to the filter. I hope this helps save you some money in the future :)

Also, I use the Marumi DHG Super CPL and I'm very happy with it. I've used B+W and Hoya filters as well, and they all seem like they are very good quality. My 10-stop ND filter is a Haida Pro II MC Slim which I've used a couple of times so far and it also seems like a good quality piece of kit, though 10 stops is kind of a specialised thing.




  
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Aug 04, 2013 14:43 |  #15

I ended up settling on 82mm filters. That seemed to be the largest size that most of them came in, and I wanted them to be usable with possible future lenses even though I don't have a lens that big yet.


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